Tired of the religious right putting down science

[Toxic]

Scientists made a major discovery with the Higgs boson last week and it was all over the news. Unfortunately, many on the right also made it the topic of their news by minimizing the value of its discovery and claiming the whole purpose of these scientific experiments is to destroy faith in God and religion. This is why many on the left like Bill Maher call right wingers idiots.

I respect people's religious practices and I like religion itself very much. But people need to lay off the bashing of science. Sure, they love their medicine, their computers, their sci-fi movies, and all the other awesome stuff that has been created through scientific experimentation and advancement, but they still shoot it down as some sort of abomination. It's fine to believe in God, but when countless amounts of scientific evidence and theories stacks up millions of pages higher than the few in the Bible, it's time to lay off and let scientists do their thing. Think of it as God having created this desire to advance, not frowning upon it.

It's because of the desire to explore and experiment that mankind no longer lives in caves. It's in our nature to do this. We've explored this planet extensively and space is the next logical move. Yet, some on the right again keep asking, "why is this necessary?" It's such an idiotic and annoying attitude.

Attacking religious faith is no worse than attacking scientific faith. It's time to EVOLVE away from this ancient attitude.

 

[heavenlyboy34]

What discovery do you speak of? Christian people who make the claims you speak of don't really understand their faith or belong to some wacko sect. Do you have any idea how much scientific knowledge can be directly traced back to Christian scholars? It's fucking staggering. The field of genetics alone began with Gregor Medel, a monk.

 

[Toxic]

What discovery do you speak of? Christian people who make the claims you speak of don't really understand their faith or belong to some wacko sect. Do you have any idea how much scientific knowledge can be directly traced back to Christian scholars? It's fucking staggering. The field of genetics alone began with Gregor Medel, a monk.

I used the example of the Higgs boson as the recent discovery. Guys like Mike Church (whom I respect a lot) was crapping on it today. And I hardly consider him to be amongst the traditional religious right. It's just part of the bigger hard core religious attitude that science is a threat. Somewhere along the way, people twisted religion around into something regressive.

 

[PierzStyx]

What you don't understand is WHY the fight is going on. Religion attacks science because science attacks religion because religions attacks science because science attacks religion etc. etc. etc. Its a sad cycle. Both science and religion have been politicized to be used to get political power and lucre.

An example of what I mean. Real scientists don't usually try and discredit religious beliefs using science, but they aren't the ones heard. Instead you have people like Richard Dawkins claiming all religious people are idiots and imbeciles and he gets thousands of hours of air time. On the other side most religious people don't try and say science is stupid because it doesn't automatically put a big red GOD stamp on all scientific papers. But those aren't the ones you hear from. Instead you have Pat Robertson using religion as a springboard to a political career and then just to make ungodly amounts of money.

In reality many scientists have deep spiritual sides, if they aren't down right religious and many religious people use science as a way to better understand God's incredible creation. But when one side attacks the other, the opposite side will respond, and suddenly you have the Hatfields and McCoys going at one another. But don't blame one over the other. Just open your eyes and realize it is a small very public faction of both side perpetrating the entire thing.

 

[Toxic]

What you don't understand is WHY the fight is going on. Religion attacks science because science attacks religion because religions attacks science because science attacks religion etc. etc. etc. Its a sad cycle. Both science and religion have been politicized to be used to get political power a gain and lucre.

An example of what I mean. Real scientists don't usually try and discredit religious beliefs using science, but they are the ones heard. Instead you have people like Richard Dawkins claiming all religious people are idiots and imbeciles and he gets thousands of hours of air time. On the other side most religious people don't try and say science is stupid because it doesn't automatically put a big red GOD stamp on all scientific papers. But those aren't the ones you hear from. Instead you have Pat Robertson using religion as a springboard to a political career and then just to make ungodly amounts of money.

In reality many scientists have deep spiritual sides, if they aren't down right religious and many religious people use science as a way to better understand God's incredible creation. But when one side attacks the other, the opposite side will respond, and suddenly you have the Hatfields and McCoys going at one another. But don't blame one over the other. Just open your eyes and realize it is a small very public faction of both side perpetrating the entire thing.

Okay, but unfortunately, most predominant voices on the right are strict creationists. How many big right wing personalities believe in evolution?

 

[Sola_Fide]

Okay, but unfortunately, most predominant voices on the right are strict creationists. How many big right wing personalities believe in evolution?

Almost every big right-wing personality believes in non-theistic evolution or theistic evolution. The conservative movement in this country for decades has been dominated by Roman Catholicism and Judaism, both of which hold to evolution.

Conservatism: An Autopsy
http://www.trinityfoundation.org/journal.php?id=115

 

[heavenlyboy34]

Almost every big right-wing personality believes in non-theistic evolution or theistic evolution. The conservative movement in this country for decades has been dominated by Roman Catholicism and Judaism, both of which hold to evolution.

Conservatism: An Autopsy
http://www.trinityfoundation.org/journal.php?id=115

I don't see why he brought Rothbard, et al into this article. Murray was an agnostitc and also not a conservative.

 

[PierzStyx]

Okay, but unfortunately, most predominant voices on the right are strict creationists. How many big right wing personalities believe in evolution?

And every major left wing leader has been a strict atheist who denounces creationists as imbeciles for not believing what atheists believe. What is your point? To me you're just illustrating mine, that the loudest voices are the ones perpetuating this fight in order to get power. But it isn't something that really carries over into the majority of either side, except those who believe the political lies anyway.

 

[heavenlyboy34]

I used the example of the Higgs boson as the recent discovery.

'scuse me. My contacts are a little blurry now and I missed the first sentence. :o

 

[tttppp]

I'm not religious and I think that discovery is bullshit. A few years down the line they will discover smaller particles then claim those are the smallest particles in the world, and continue the bullshit.

 

[Yieu]

Science is catching up with religion more and more all the time. People think they conflict, but it's more just that man's senses are flawed and our machines are not perfect, so we have more difficulty understanding things through science because we have to try to figure out the rules that God made for the universe by our own limited devices.

This method has brought some level of scientific understanding, but it is still catching up to religion. For example, there is the theory that there are multiple universes. We can know that there are multiple universes because the Vedic scriptures state there are. Our senses are imperfect, but the Lord is perfect, so information that comes from Him may be trusted. But for science, it is still an unconfirmed theory.

Science can be a good thing, but it would be folly to place it above religion as our science is imperfect and ever-changing, while the Vedas are absolute. Science can be used to "discover" such things that the Lord has already told us of, such as multiple universes. But our level of science is not able to determine that, yet. There may be another species out there somewhere who has more advanced scientific knowledge and has confirmed the existence of multiple universes, who knows. But we can know these things in advance from an authoritative source through the Word of the Lord, such as Bhagavad Gita or Srimad Bhagavatam.

 

[Sola_Fide]

I don't see why he brought Rothbard, et al into this article. Murray was an agnostitc and also not a conservative.

Only to make the point that secular atheists like Rothbard and Ayn Rand held to some form of natural law just like Roman Catholics and Jews. The Biblical epistemology is revelational, not natural. Biblical Christianity stands against all forms of syncretism.

 

[Indy Vidual]

What you don't understand is WHY the fight is going on. Religion attacks science because science attacks religion because religions attacks science because science attacks religion etc. etc. etc. Its a sad cycle. Both science and religion have been politicized to be used to get political power and lucre.

An example of what I mean. Real scientists don't usually try and discredit religious beliefs using science, but they aren't the ones heard. Instead you have people like Richard Dawkins claiming all religious people are idiots and imbeciles and he gets thousands of hours of air time. On the other side most religious people don't try and say science is stupid because it doesn't automatically put a big red GOD stamp on all scientific papers. But those aren't the ones you hear from. Instead you have Pat Robertson using religion as a springboard to a political career and then just to make ungodly amounts of money.

In reality many scientists have deep spiritual sides, if they aren't down right religious and many religious people use science as a way to better understand God's incredible creation. But when one side attacks the other, the opposite side will respond, and suddenly you have the Hatfields and McCoys going at one another. But don't blame one over the other. Just open your eyes and realize it is a small very public faction of both side perpetrating the entire thing.

+1
Time for a cease fire

Only to make the point that secular atheists like Rothbard and Ayn Rand held to some form of natural law just like Roman Catholics and Jews. The Biblical epistemology is revelational, not natural. Biblical Christianity stands against all forms of syncretism.

syncretism = the combination of different forms of belief or practice.
Never saw that word in public school; Not even in the "high-ability" classes.

 

[Revolution9]

The Higgs Boson.. This is what they are doing. They put a bunch of little T-cups on a table and record the direction of the handle and note it is sitting stably on it's saucer. They then snatch the tablecloth out from under them at phenomenal speeds. The T-Cups of course go askew. The handles point in different directions and sometimes they are upended entirely and sit on their rim for a bit before re-righting itself. That would be the "Higgs Boson". The signature they see is from the torsion field energies released as it flipped and flipped back. So basically they are measuring t-cups whose handles are not pointing in the same direction as prior to yanking the tablecloth.

"I'm late..I'm late.. for a very important date." - The White Rabbit on his way to the T-Party

Rev9

 

[erowe1]

Unfortunately, many on the right also made it the topic of their news by minimizing the value of its discovery and claiming the whole purpose of these scientific experiments is to destroy faith in God and religion.

Who?

 

[torchbearer]

the higgs boson just comfirmed our atomic models.
that was the good news. otherwise, they'd have to rewrite their atomic model.

 

[thoughtomator]

True religion doesn't attack true science - nor vice versa.

 

[LibertyRevolution]

I'm not religious and I think that discovery is bullshit. A few years down the line they will discover smaller particles then claim those are the smallest particles in the world, and continue the bullshit.

This has nothing to do with what is the smallest.. This has to do with what gives matter mass.
By learning why things have mass, we will someday learn to control space-time..

 

[jkr]

WHEN "science" tells me i am an animal, and because of that other MORE EQUAL ANIMALS can create laws to imprison me for living in their land, yeah i get a problem with "science"

 

[Icymudpuppy]

WHEN "science" tells me i am an animal, and because of that other MORE EQUAL ANIMALS can create laws to imprison me for living in their land, yeah i get a problem with "science"

Sounds like A theocracy to me. Or Israel.