Tiny Nebraska Town Says No to 1,100 Jobs, Citing Way of Life

[Danke]

Would you be against your neighbor building a nuclear power plant next to your house if they had a permit?

Yes.

 

[presence]

Sometimes yes, sometimes no. There are lawsuits regarding processing plants that have been going on for decades. Liaryers generally don't like to wrap themselves up for that length of time on the possibility of winning.

I'd posit if no lawyer was willing to contract to take the case on your claim of harm done on expected returns, then either you have no case or your willingness to split profits was too weak.

I also noticed that you did not address the fact that no one had bought or sold their land as you originally speculated. It was simply a proposal by some tax-ticks to solve a problem the town didn't have.

I'm confused. This was to be a government run meat processing plant?

I was under the impression there was a company looking to purchase land from a farmer at considerable profit for the farmer, but under the terms of the contract the buyer was requesting clarification on zoning from the state; zoning and land use contingency.

 

[phill4paul]

I'd posit if no lawyer was willing to contract to take the case on your claim of harm done on expected returns, then either you have no case or your willingness to split profits was too weak.

There is a reason these companies seek out relatively poor rural areas.

I was under the impression there was a company looking to purchase land from a farmer at considerable profit for the farmer, but under the terms of the contract the buyer was requesting clarification on zoning from the state; zoning and land use contingency.

Then please cite. No where in that article did I see this mention. From my reading the Regional Development tax ticks were coming up with a plan and news of this plan leaked before any formalization. Residents got wind of it and moved to shut it down.

 

[presence]

Yes.

Well then you would be shit out of luck if they got that permit and odds are the permit would allow for various permitted externalities for which you would otherwise be able to sue and seek compensation.

 

[presence]

Then please cite. No where in that article did I see this mention. From my reading the Regional Development tax ticks were coming up with a plan and news of this plan leaked before any formalization. Residents got wind of it and moved to shut it down.

http://www.reuters.com/article/us-costco-wholesale-chicken-idUSKCN0XF23K

Costco plans chicken plant in Nebraska
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Costco chose Dodge County, in eastern Nebraska, as a "preferred site" for the plant because of the area's quality workforce, available land, farmers willing to raise chickens and proximity to suppliers, among other factors, the Greater Fremont Development Council said.

 

[phill4paul]

http://www.reuters.com/article/us-costco-wholesale-chicken-idUSKCN0XF23K

Key word: "Plans." Nowhere in that article does it show that property had already been purchased.

 

[angelatc]

I guess I do not get it . Town of 400 with no unemployed , just exactly where did the company intend to get employees ?

Mexico

 

[Brian4Liberty]

I guess I do not get it . Town of 400 with no unemployed , just exactly where did the company intend to get employees ?

Exactly.

 

[presence]

Key word: "Plans." Nowhere in that article does it show that property had already been purchased.

Well certainly I'm not going to finalize; close purchase land from someone if I know there may be some government edict telling me I can't use it.

Its the same with any other contingency contract.... I'll buy this contingent on you getting the subsurface oil tank removed, etc.

Costco wants the land. Costco wants to process chickens. Farmer wants to sell land for cash.

 

[angelatc]

Perhaps the locals know that big-ag has huge pockets and high-rises filled with liaryers and are just protecting their self-interest? As I said, you also have to factor in the infrastructure, school expansion, a surge of out-of-locality immigrants (double the local population) and expanding services to accommodate them all at local property owner expense. Increased truck traffic and all that will bring to the infrastructure. Chicken processing and coop smells.
The people of the community simply do not want it. There will always be a community somewhere that will take Tyson. Just not theirs. And I agree with them. They all have a common stake in it.

There are certainly arguments to be made from both sides, and this is where anarchists / libertarians / con-conservatives split ways. I believe, as Ron Paul does, that the right to create zoning laws is constitutionally delegated to the states, and by extension to the local municipalities.

Pragmatically speaking, if you live in an area where there are no zoning laws and you try to build a casino next to an elementary school, the town is going to band together and create zoning laws. That's just life.

Philosophically, I am probably opposed to it. Pragmatically, I am not going to protest on behalf of the casino because I don't want the casino there, even if I believe they have some deep philosophical right.

 

[phill4paul]

Well certainly I'm not going to finalize; close purchase land from someone if I know there may be some government edict telling me I can't use it.

Its the same with any other contingency contract.... I'll buy this contingent on you getting the subsurface oil tank removed, etc.

Costco wants the land. Costco wants to process chickens. Farmer wants to sell land for cash.

Which ones? Because I didn't see any farmers in the community offering opposition so they could cash out. Seems like the entire community was on on board and the entire board of directors, their representatives, conducted themselves as their community asked.

 

[presence]

I guess I do not get it . Town of 400 with no unemployed , just exactly where did the company intend to get employees ?

There are 37,000 that live in the county and 13% are qualified as impoverished.

http://www.census.gov/quickfacts/table/PST045215/31053

 

[tod evans]

Well certainly I'm not going to finalize; close purchase land from someone if I know there may be some government edict telling me I can't use it.

Its the same with any other contingency contract.... I'll buy this contingent on you getting the subsurface oil tank removed, etc.

Costco wants the land. Costco wants to process chickens. Farmer wants to sell land for cash.

What restrictions are in place on your land?

I got several pages worth on rural Ozark land that I bought 15 years ago....Before that I owned land in two different towns that had even more restrictions that were conveyed from one buyer to the next....This process runs back several decades here in the sticks...

If land sales are different elsewhere I'm interested in learning.

 

[presence]

Which ones? Because I didn't see any farmers in the community offering opposition so they could cash out. Seems like the entire community was on on board and the entire board of directors, their representatives, conducted themselves as their community asked.

Well obviously someone owns the land that Costco is looking to acquire for a chicken processing plant in Nebraska.

That person... farmer, investor... whatever he is is being robbed of the value of his property because his buyer is being bullied by zoning and the violent arm of its enforcer.

 

[presence]

What restrictions are in place on your land?

I got several pages worth on rural Ozark land that I bought 15 years ago....Before that I owned land in two different towns that had even more restrictions that were conveyed from one buyer to the next....This process runs back several decades here in the sticks...

If land sales are different elsewhere I'm interested in learning.

There are many restrictions on my land...

some of which previous owners agreed to:

I have a contracted easement for a power line that crosses my land.

some of which previous owners never agreed to:

I have tens of millions of dollars of natural gas under my land that I'm not "zoned" to touch.

 

[erowe1]

"Being a Christian, I don't want Somalis in here,"

Does not compute.

 

[erowe1]

Would you be against your neighbor building a nuclear power plant next to your house?

There's a way to avoid that possibility. Buy that land. Then you get to decide what happens on it.

 

[phill4paul]

Well obviously someone owns the land that Costco is looking to acquire for a chicken processing plant in Nebraska.

That person... farmer, investor... whatever he is is being robbed of the value of his property because his buyer is being bullied by zoning and the violent arm of its enforcer.

Who? As I've said I have not heard of any that speak in favor Costco. Is it township property that Costco was looking to buy? If so the community certainly has a say in that.

 

[tod evans]

Well obviously someone owns the land that Costco is looking to acquire for a chicken processing plant in Nebraska.

That person... farmer, investor... whatever he is is being robbed of the value of his property because his buyer is being bullied by zoning and the violent arm of its enforcer.

I need proof that there weren't sales clauses in the deed when the land last changed hands that the board of aldermen had to review and approve new business start-ups before I'll buy into anybody being "hurt" let alone "robbed"...

There's not many people who will buy land, or banks that will finance it, unless such stipulations are spelled out explicitly in the contract for deed....

 

[phill4paul]

There's a way to avoid that possibility. Buy that land. Then you get to decide what happens on it.

I'd say billionaires, corporations and government are going to trump you every time in this endeavor.