time to end draft registration, and for Rand to own this issue

I think it is. I remember my gf talking about if you do a national service you get free college. From Hillary's Presidential announcement speech.

--virgil
 
Rand needs to just come out and own the whole anti-war issue.

Bring home the troops, defend our borders and cut off the foreign welfare.
 
how about a bill to fund war dog homecomings with selective service money? announce it on Greta-she is great dog lover. have Amash intro it in the house (and mention Amash's military service)

and brand anyone against it as a dog hater.
 
I support that, but I think there is a limit to how impactful it would be. Most people right now don't think of the draft as something that is likely to affect them. Maybe different if we were fresh out of the Vietnam war.
 
Slave registration is already linked to free college. No draft sign-up, no Pell grants.
 
How about abolish the standing army, give everyone the right to own standard infantry weapons, and allow the states to train and maintain militias?

2nd amendment:
A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed.

Thomas Jefferson:
"If the American people ever allow private banks to control the issue of their currency, first by inflation, then by deflation, the banks and corporations that will grow up around them will deprive the people of all property until their children wake up homeless on the continent their Fathers conquered...I believe that banking institutions are more dangerous to our liberties than standing armies... The issuing power should be taken from the banks and restored to the people, to whom it properly belongs."

The constitution doesn't authorize a standing army. It only authorizes a navy. The constitution allows the government to support an raise armies but only to maintain a navy.

To declare War, grant Letters of Marque and Reprisal, and make Rules concerning Captures on Land and Water;

To raise and support Armies, but no Appropriation of Money to that Use shall be for a longer Term than two Years;

To provide and maintain a Navy;

To make Rules for the Government and Regulation of the land and naval Forces;

To provide for calling forth the Militia to execute the Laws of the Union, suppress Insurrections and repel Invasions;

To provide for organizing, arming, and disciplining, the Militia, and for governing such Part of them as may be employed in the Service of the United States, reserving to the States respectively, the Appointment of the Officers, and the Authority of training the Militia according to the discipline prescribed by Congress;

The President shall be Commander in Chief of the Army and Navy of the United States, and of the Militia of the several States, when called into the actual Service of the United States; he may require the Opinion, in writing, of the principal Officer in each of the executive Departments, upon any Subject relating to the Duties of their respective Offices, and he shall have Power to grant Reprieves and Pardons for Offences against the United States, except in Cases of Impeachment.


Notice the flow. Congress can declare war. At that time congress can raise an army, but the appropriation should only be for 2 years. In other words wars should be short. No AUMF for some nebulous ongoing "global war on terror." Congress prescribes how the militia should be trained. Congress can provide money for that training, arming and organizing. The states choose the officers and actually are in charge of the militia training. In an emergency Congress, after declaring war, can call up the militia from the states and then raise additional armies as necessary. Then, and only then, does the president become commander in chief of the militia and the armies that have now been raised. The Navy is maintained all along and the President is always commander in chief of the Navy. (That's why the marines can legal be sent in to fight without an act of war. But the marines should be assigned to Navy ships and not allowed to grow into what is in effect a standing army.)

That's how you have and maintain freedom. That's how we the Department of Defense really becomes about defense and not about offensive empire building. The militia train to defend their home turf. You live in Alaska you train to fight in the snow. You live in Louisiana you train to fight in the swamp. If you live in an American desert you train to fight in an American desert, not an Iraqi desert.

If you have a standing army the liars-in-chief always think of a way to use them. When wanting to get the U.S. involved in Bosnia, Madeline Albright said this to a general who was resistant to the idea. "What good is a military if we aren't going to use it?" SMH! Soldiers aren't pieces on a chessboard to sacrifice in you bat guano crazy quest for global domination. They are people an should only be deployed in the actual defense of this nation. And "defending America's interests abroad" doesn't count. But Madwoman Madeline doesn't care about human life anyway.



People like her are the reason this country should not have a standing army. It's not constitutional. Republicans will ask "Where is medicare in the constitution" while ignoring the fact that standing armies are not allowed by the constitution.
 
Slave registration is already linked to free college. No draft sign-up, no Pell grants.

slave registration is, but what happens when they try to implement Jon Stewart's idea of 1 year actual slavery in exchange for free college. draft registration was a huge issue in 1980 because Reagan made it an issue. Rand could do the same. and win over college students. he could also play the fear factor-about young women being forced to serve in the middle east wars. if Rand doesn't someone else will.
 
Today's registration for Selective Service is nothing like an actual draft. My high school class was the last one where the boys had to register for an actual draft with the possibility of going to Vietnam.

My dad did two tours and assorted short missions there, and all my cousins had to register. One actually was drafted and sent to Vietnam. Back in those days there was a lottery, and each man was assigned a draft number according to his birthday. If that number came up, then the man had a choice to enlist in the branch of his choice, or go into the Army. Some fled to Canada to escape the draft. Some Conscientious Objectors had to do mandatory service stateside, and some received deferrments based on whether they were the only son of a family, or in school, or had some medical issue.

This happened in every war in my parents' lifetime. When the Selective Service registration was renewed, it was not with an actual threat of war. Nobody was drafted to go to the Falklands or the Middle East. Nobody hears daily casualty numbers in the hundreds or thousands. That anyone dies for the sake of political jockeying is just obscene, but young people today do not have a clue.

With today's integrated military and all the talk about equality, I think it is inconsistent that women are not also registered with Selective Service when they turn 18. It happens in Israel. Every young person serves in their military. I have met Israeli women in their 80s who served in tank units, so we are not talking about office or nursing jobs.

Rand could give an articulate and detailed outline of his principles, and he would win in every age and income demographic. War touches us all.
 
The draft is expressly prohibited by the US Constitution:

Neither slavery nor involuntary servitude, except as a punishment for crime whereof the party shall have been duly convicted, shall exist within the United States, or any place subject to their jurisdiction.

Amendment XIII

Section 1.
 
The draft is expressly prohibited by the US Constitution:



Amendment XIII

Section 1.

Military is an exception. The Congress can raise and support armies. Conscription was a very familiar concept in the 18th century; if the founders intended to forbid conscription, they most likely would have written it in explicitly.
 
Military is an exception. The Congress can raise and support armies. Conscription was a very familiar concept in the 18th century; if the founders intended to forbid conscription, they most likely would have written it in explicitly.

Why don't you read Jmdrakes post up above?
 
Military is an exception. The Congress can raise and support armies. Conscription was a very familiar concept in the 18th century; if the founders intended to forbid conscription, they most likely would have written it in explicitly.

The only exception is if you are duly convicted of a crime. Congress can hire people to be in the army.
 
Today's registration for Selective Service is nothing like an actual draft. My high school class was the last one where the boys had to register for an actual draft with the possibility of going to Vietnam.

My dad did two tours and assorted short missions there, and all my cousins had to register. One actually was drafted and sent to Vietnam. Back in those days there was a lottery, and each man was assigned a draft number according to his birthday. If that number came up, then the man had a choice to enlist in the branch of his choice, or go into the Army. Some fled to Canada to escape the draft. Some Conscientious Objectors had to do mandatory service stateside, and some received deferrments based on whether they were the only son of a family, or in school, or had some medical issue.

This happened in every war in my parents' lifetime. When the Selective Service registration was renewed, it was not with an actual threat of war. Nobody was drafted to go to the Falklands or the Middle East. Nobody hears daily casualty numbers in the hundreds or thousands. That anyone dies for the sake of political jockeying is just obscene, but young people today do not have a clue.

With today's integrated military and all the talk about equality, I think it is inconsistent that women are not also registered with Selective Service when they turn 18. It happens in Israel. Every young person serves in their military. I have met Israeli women in their 80s who served in tank units, so we are not talking about office or nursing jobs.

Rand could give an articulate and detailed outline of his principles, and he would win in every age and income demographic. War touches us all.

so you advocate slavery just because Israel has slavery? we need to abolish draft registration, for boys as well as girls
 
Military is an exception. The Congress can raise and support armies. Conscription was a very familiar concept in the 18th century; if the founders intended to forbid conscription, they most likely would have written it in explicitly.

this has nothing to do with the founders, but with the 13th amendment, which ended involuntary servitude. and had Tawney not died SCOTUS was about to strike down Lincoln's draft
 
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