Time for a new strategy or party option?

[Federaslitnp]

Ron Paul and his endorsed candidates will continue to be overshadowed by the neocons because they get the press and they are the easy targets.

Why not change the strategy from "reform the Republican party" to reform the Libertarian party? The LP is on ballots and is growing fast.

If we did reform the LP, what would be the necessary changes to make them more "libertarian republican"?


The time is now to rebuild the RP and throw out everyone and start over, OR use the LP to offer a real third choice and option. I think the LP option would be easier.



PS
A few of us are still working on our vision of using law as the ultimate tool in setting policy that protects individual liberty. However, it takes a long time to really build something.

 

[specsaregood]

The time is now to rebuild the RP and throw out everyone and start over, OR use the LP to offer a real third choice and option. I think the LP option would be easier.

Welcome to the site. Why do you think it would be easier? Despite all evidence to the contrary?

 

[wizardwatson]

Why not change the strategy from trying to replace one bad egg out of 535, with trying to keep your eye on everything the bad egg's are doing.

 

[ctiger2]

Gerald Celente indicated there will be a new prominent third party by 2012 called Progressive Libertarian. So there ya go. Progressive Libertarian it is. Git er dun!

 

[KAYA]

Gerald Celente indicated there will be a new prominent third party by 2012 called Progressive Libertarian. So there ya go. Progressive Libertarian it is. Git er dun!

He also said he is calling it that for "lack of a better word". He does not like using the word "progressive" but is sticking with that term for now.

 

[specsaregood]

I always find it interesting when new people pop in, post up a thread such as this, then disappear and don't take part in the discussion.

 

[Elwar]

Why not first make the Libertarian Party libertarian?

As opposed to the reformers taking over and running a neo-con.

 

[heavenlyboy34]

Ron Paul and his endorsed candidates will continue to be overshadowed by the neocons because they get the press and they are the easy targets.

Why not change the strategy from "reform the Republican party" to reform the Libertarian party? The LP is on ballots and is growing fast.

If we did reform the LP, what would be the necessary changes to make them more "libertarian republican"?


The time is now to rebuild the RP and throw out everyone and start over, OR use the LP to offer a real third choice and option. I think the LP option would be easier.



PS
A few of us are still working on our vision of using law as the ultimate tool in setting policy that protects individual liberty. However, it takes a long time to really build something.

Since most RPers aren't really interested in libertarianism, I suggest you go to the Constitution party.

 

[Krugerrand]

I always find it interesting when new people pop in, post up a thread such as this, then disappear and don't take part in the discussion.

Agreed.

 

[federalistnp]

I didn't have all day to sit at around and wait on responses. I have a life.

My reasons are many but I will make it short; Most Republicans and the Media ignore Ron Paul. You also have the spectre of the bad associations of the Republican party. Maybe many of you are too stubborn to admit it but the progressives have the Republicans beat in the blogosphere and political spin sites. There are too many imperialist, corporatist republicans that spoil the whole bunch. They get all the attention while the new breed and true paleoconservatives get ignored.

There are more reasons why reforming the LP party would be easier and more profitable than there are reasons for fighting a losing battle to gain attention as a Republican. Millions of Americans are disillusioned with both parties and can find no satisfaction in either of the two major parties. The Libertarian party is open to converts and taking names. They are also becoming more of a viable player. They are big enough to do something IF they choose to stand out. Ron Paul's philosophy is already mostly libertarian, so there would be no platform change for his breed, while most Republicans favor protecting corporatism and international war.

Theocratic parties like the Constitution party will not win unless more than 50% really do want a theocracy. I don't want one. Who would be right? Baptists? Catholics?
There is no constitutional basis for religion leading law making, but only a protection within the constitution to protect freedom to worship as one chooses.

I advise everyone interested in saving the country to pick up "Art of War" and learn the fight the information and culture battles. Stubborn William Wallace style wars are not won by the Wallaces but by the Bruces who come in and clean up the mess.

If the RP group was a party, what kind of party would it be?

I am the one who is curious about WHY RPers think it will be so easy to reform the Republican party.


So why is it?

 

[Elwar]

I am the one who is curious about WHY RPers think it will be so easy to reform the Republican party.


So why is it?

It's not that reforming the Republican Party is so easy, it's that winning as a Libertarian Party candidate has proven to be beyond anyone's reach. The cards are stacked against the LP through years of laws. The cards are only stacked against us in the Republican Party through good ol' boy backroom dealing.

That's easier to overcome than election law.

If Rand Paul were running for the LP Senate seat, he'd be working right now on getting thousands of signatures so that his name would be on the ballot while we all hope and pray that he's allowed into at least one debate (which would most likely not happen).

 

[specsaregood]

Millions of Americans are disillusioned with both parties and can find no satisfaction in either of the two major parties. The Libertarian party is open to converts and taking names.

And still most of those millions of Americans will default to voting for a Democrat or Republican just because. A liberty candidate that gets on the ballot as Republican has a built-in voter base of just those party-voters. Whereas the voter that researches positions/etc would be more likely to make their choice indifferent of the party behind them.

 

[LittleLightShining]

It will be interesting to see how far Doug Hoffman goes running as a "Conservative Party" candidate.

 

[CapitalistRadical]

So how do you think the Neocons took over the Republican Party? Don't you think we have more numbers than they did? In the 60s there were two dozen of them and they were Democrats.

 

[federalistnp]

It's not that reforming the Republican Party is so easy, it's that winning as a Libertarian Party candidate has proven to be beyond anyone's reach. The cards are stacked against the LP through years of laws. The cards are only stacked against us in the Republican Party through good ol' boy backroom dealing.

That's easier to overcome than election law.

If Rand Paul were running for the LP Senate seat, he'd be working right now on getting thousands of signatures so that his name would be on the ballot while we all hope and pray that he's allowed into at least one debate (which would most likely not happen).

Is the LP really that off the books?

Getting ballot access is an issue but there needs to be more aggressiveness on their part to overcome this.

If anyone knows Echoplaza from dailypaul, tell them I agree 98% but I am not Anti-Rand! It's just that some of them go so far to excuse corporatism that they forget that said Oil corporations were not being the best, but feeding off the teet of government handouts in the form of buddy contracts AND that it is possible for Corporatism to hijack the free market and infringe upon the individual liberty and economic autonomy of the individuals libertarian anarcho-capitalists claim to represent. Maybe they care more about corporations than individuals.


http://www.dailypaul.com/node/107956

 

[klamath]

Just tell me how many Libertarian party candidates are polling competitively. There are at least two RP republicans running that have a fair chance of winning statewise offices.

 

[mport1]

The LP is dead as a party of principle. If you are going to play politics you might as well do it in the Republican or Democratic parties where you can get the message out much easier.

 

[Southron]

I don't think it matters so much but it needs to be at the state and local levels.

 

[Flash]

I am the one who is curious about WHY RPers think it will be so easy to reform the Republican party.

Rand Paul & Chuck DeVore have a serious chance of becoming Republican Senators. Would they have been so successful running as a Libertarian? I don't think so. Even though I like the LP I don't think it serves any purpose right now.

 

[CapitalistRadical]

The Republican Party is leaderless, confused, and intellectually bankrupt. This is a wonderful time for hard-liners to restore the party to its fundamentals. This is not the era to discuss the LP or any third party.