Thomas Massie may delay the bailout... Congress livid with him

[familydog]

Ron won re-election over and over in his district because people there understood him. Thomas can do the same.

Running for president is different.

Ron Paul also retired before Trump came into office. Mark Sanford's principled got him booted out of office once he got the ire of Trump. Let's not forget that Ron Paul brought home the pork to his constituents even though he voted against the bills.

 

[Theocrat]

Argument Settled

Do these corporations sell to ghosts? The government is still picking winners and losers. We, the People can only pick the winning companies when we're allowed to keep the wealth we create.

That ends the discussion. Anyone who attempts to challenge that should seriously rethink why he or she is a member of these forums.

 

[Warlord]

Ron Paul also retired before Trump came into office. Mark Sanford's principled got him booted out of office once he got the ire of Trump. Let's not forget that Ron Paul brought home the pork to his constituents even though he voted against the bills.

Sanford didn't have Rand in his corner and many congressmen. I think if Trump tried to oust Thomas it will back fire. We'll see.

 

[nikcers]

Why, no. No, it isn't. All that crap was already done at the state and local level by local politicians responding to media-induced lemming panic.

This bill is about pacifying the public with about $300 billion worth of freshly printed funny money while printing and passing out $5.7 trillion in corporate pork.



Well, no, of course it isn't. Abuse of power is...

Why not take a figure of speech that has broad ambiguity in a language built on literal bastardization and claim that you can define it. I have just as much claim to this living language as you do so I am taking this back. Abuse of power in this context is abusing power not the legal definition. Abusing power is doing something that you have the power to do that has no actionable consequence on the consequence that may result in unintended consequences

 

[familydog]

Sanford didn't have Rand in his corner and many congressmen. I think if Trump tried to oust Thomas it will back fire. We'll see.

Yes, we'll see.

 

[acptulsa]

Why not take a figure of speech that has broad ambiguity in a language built on literal bastardization and claim that you can define it. I have just as much claim to this living language as you do so I am taking this back. Abuse of power in this context is abusing power not the legal definition. Abusing power is doing something that you have the power to do that has no actionable consequence on the consequence that may result in unintended consequences

No. It isn't. That's too far a stretch from what it ever meant before.

It's the same thing as progressives redefining "local control of schools" as "opposition to education". It's pure propaganda.

 

[Valli6]

Great time for a Money Bomb! Stand with Massie!

Strike while the iron is hot! Isn't that why they say?
http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?545016-THOMAS-MASSIE-MONEY-BOMB-NOW!-3-27-20

 

[nikcers]

Do these corporations sell to ghosts? I'm sick and tired of people claiming apologetics like this are arguments. The government is still picking winners and losers. We, the People can only pick the winning companies when we're allowed to keep and spend the wealth we create.

What's wrong? You afraid free people won't maintain a military larger and more expensive than all other militaries combined?

You must not work in the private sector. Most companies do business with other companies but most importantly help people pay rent. Small businesses and self employment disappeared when technologies allowed for global markets that pay peoples rents through better utilization of labor that results in less poverty. Most people would be out of work and productive labor would be taken over by foreign markets if corporations failed because people let the liberal medical industrial complex economic terrorists effectively rob them.

 

[GunnyFreedom]

At what human cost is it worth if the delay has unintended consequences and does not win any hearts ands minds to our cause. I would argue this is pointless and could delay medication or healthcare in a time of need.

so basically throw the entire Constitution and the American republic into the toilet, because the media has made us afraid of a bug that is barely worse than the common cold? Yikes, comrade.

 

[acptulsa]

You must not work in the private sector. Most companies do business with other companies...

So what? And how does that factoid lead you to such a startlingly misleading conclusion?

Let people keep their money and the winners will be companies that serve the people, or help other companies serve the people. Let government steal all the money and dole it out, and the only survivors--corporate or human--will be those who lick jackboots.

 

[oyarde]

I'm curious to know. What is the libertarian response to helping Americans who are in need financially during a difficult time such as this? If you guys don't support a stimulus bill such as this, what is the alternative?

Modern Libertarians are mostly just weirdo baby killing democrats so they probably think they are getting more liberty by the govt shutting businesses against the will of the people and are in full support of whatever Pelosi says.

 

[nikcers]

so basically throw the entire Constitution and the American republic into the toilet, because the media has made us afraid of a bug that is barely worse than the common cold? Yikes, comrade.

At what point would you disregard it was my question. Your argument implies that Massie can stop the bill or win hearts and minds. Your argument is an emotional liberal argument.

 

[Matt Collins]

Exercise in power fruitlessly

Except that gaining a roll call vote is fruitful, not fruitless.

 

[acptulsa]

At what point would you disregard it was my question. Your argument implies that Massie can stop the bill or win hearts and minds. Your argument is an emotional liberal argument.

Libtards are playing with people's emotions by downplaying a disease which is killing one fifteenth as many victims as the flu and by defending the Constitution?. In what parallel universe?

Did you make a mistake quoting Gunny? Shouldn't you have addressed that to your straw man?

Are we letting a desire for making quick responses lead us to posting quantity over quality?

Except that gaining a roll call vote is fruitful, not fruitless.

Unless one is a warmongering bootlicker who considers accountability in government to be fruity.

 

[nikcers]

Libtards are playing with people's emotions by downplaying a disease which is killing one fifteenth as many victims as the flu and by defending the Constitution?. In what parallel universe?

Did you make a mistake quoting Gunny? Shouldn't you have addressed that to youe straw man?

If foreign countries can buy up critical infrastructure because we let the medical industrial complex crash their business is great for national security - maybe Huawei can provide services to everyone because that's a good idea

 

[acptulsa]

so basically throw the entire Constitution and the American republic into the toilet, because the media has made us afraid of a bug that is barely worse than the common cold? Yikes, comrade.

If foreign countries can buy up critical infrastructure because we let the medical industrial complex crash their business is great for national security. Maybe Huawei can provide services to everyone because that's a good idea

Filling hospital beds to overflowing with sick people is going to lead the health care industry to the kind of cash crisis that enables hostile takeovers?

Can you demonstrate how that might work? Or is this just desperate, manipulative button-pushing?

 

[nikcers]

Filling hospital beds to overflowing with sick people is going to lead the health care industry to the kind of cash crisis that enables hostile takeovers?

Can you demonstrate how that might work? Or is this just desperate, manipulative button-pushing?

Supplies and demand and price fixing. Most medical workers are over worked and under paid. They dont get hazard pay and they are the ones the most at risk. People die every day due to the fact that we have a rationing system and the numbers are astronomical and not counted. People dying from mistakes and malpractice or given bad medicine or lack of medicine so they can prop up the systems costs by basically being legal drug dealers.

 

[Cleaner44]

What bums me out about things like this is that the main thing acomplished is the alienanation of libertarians from the mass of Republicans. The GOP is our best ally, for better or for worse. Choosing to create this battle won't change the outcome. It will burn bridges. I am not saying that Massie isn't right. I am saying this will be a net negative for his political power and influence.

Emotion > Logic

 

[GunnyFreedom]

At what point would you disregard it was my question.

After the United States has gone extinct.

Your argument implies that Massie can stop the bill or win hearts and minds. Your argument is an emotional liberal argument.

My argument implies nothing of the kind. And you trying to call me a liberal is mind-bendingly ridiculous. That is a propaganda technique that was used extensively against Ron Paul in 2008 and 2012.

The fact is that there is a lot more than just pork barrel spending in this thing. There are Pelosi agenda items that will completely transform this nation towards a socialist paradigm. When VoterID is banned nationwide, same day registration is required, and ballot harvesting is permitted, we will end up with Democrat supermajorities in both chambers and as President and it will be these Republicans and fearmongers that did it.

GET THEM ON THE RECORD, and six month from now when everyone starts discovering the pure Marxist communist crap that was passed into law in this thing and start scrambling to undo it before their terms are up Massie will look like the hero he is, and some of these idiots will get fired.

This coronavirus is as virulent as the common cold and as deadly as the common flu. There is nothing about it to justify this insane response. This whole thing is the Media gone batshyt crazy and we are going to literally destroy the American republic because of a basically normal seasonal bug?

My God man, if we are supposed to be willing to turn this country into the Soviet Union because of a bad seasonal cold, is there ANYTHING we are supposed to stand for at all?

 

[Warlord]

What bums me out about things like this is that the main thing acomplished is the alienanation of libertarians from the mass of Republicans. The GOP is our best ally, for better or for worse. Choosing to create this battle won't change the outcome. It will burn bridges. I am not saying that Massie isn't right. I am saying this will be a net negative for his political power and influence.

Emotion > Logic

He is getting tons of support and donations. He is top of DRUDGE: http://www.drudgereport.com/

If he was just another go along get along congressman he wouldn't get that attention.

He is taking a stand, for you & me.