This movement is bigger than Ron Paul, it is about spreading the message of liberty!

Justin Amash is someone carrying on the message. I also believe that Adam Kokesh could probably run again and do some good. There are a lot of people born of this movement. It isn't going to go away like the GOP and their puppet masters, the Fed wants it to. Ron Paul has changed this country forever. 50%+ of 30 and unders are voting for liberty. This movement is the FUTURE of the Republican party whether they want to embrace it or not.
 
Justin Amash is someone carrying on the message. I also believe that Adam Kokesh could probably run again and do some good. There are a lot of people born of this movement. It isn't going to go away like the GOP and their puppet masters, the Fed wants it to. Ron Paul has changed this country forever. 50%+ of 30 and unders are voting for liberty. This movement is the FUTURE of the Republican party whether they want to embrace it or not.

Until Kokesh finds a district where an abrasive personality such as his can win, he's best sticking to his confrontational, rage against the machine shtick.
 
Justin Amash is someone carrying on the message. I also believe that Adam Kokesh could probably run again and do some good. There are a lot of people born of this movement. It isn't going to go away like the GOP and their puppet masters, the Fed wants it to. Ron Paul has changed this country forever. 50%+ of 30 and unders are voting for liberty. This movement is the FUTURE of the Republican party whether they want to embrace it or not.

Great point about the 30 and unders crowd! I'm part of that crowd and I think that there is a lot of young people that this movement has yet to be exposed to. Many people who jumped on board with this movement in 2007/2008 and many who jumped on board in 2011/2012 still probably aren't quite old enough to run for office in Washington just yet. I think there is a lot of hope with this group, I can feel it.

By 2020, the current 30 and under crowd will be the largest pool of voters in the history of this great country.
 
I, being 57, would like to see Ron's message become the breath of this country before I go...
 
I think you are dead wrong. I think he was always running to win, but also after 30 years didn't have much certainty he would. The problem is there is only one Ron Paul. Standing up against offers of power and the slippery slope of compromise is uncommon to the point of endangered. No one has a record like Ron's.

this seems an awful lot like a 'give up on this race' thread, and I don't think much of it, to be honest.
And I think you are dead wrong with your enforced hyper enthusiasm. It is reenforcing the image that all RP supporters are checked out of reality and and thereby any issue and ideas they have are checked out of reality. RP has lost the nomination but he has not lost the long term movement and I want to work on a long term plan. RP does not want to be president but would have taken it if he was elected, but RP does want his son to be president. You can ban me and others for our beliefs but you will only be harming the future of the movement.
 
As someone else has been posting (sorry I can't give credit):

Ron is not Rand.
Rand is not Ron.

For Me, Rand has yet to prove himself.
 
i want to be at rand paul's nominating convention if i can't be at ron paul's nominating convention, and i'd like to go to yours, too!

one of us might go the distance -- the future has yet to be -- we know tomorrow's leaders are already here or are about to join us!
 
There is absolutely no better way to spread the message of Liberty than for RP to gain the White House and for likeminded candidates to hold positions in Congress and every other possible position.


Everything else is a poor substitute.
 
I, being 57, would like to see Ron's message become the breath of this country before I go...

You will see it. There are a lot of young people that are a part of this movement as demonstrated by this forum, other online institutions and many of the Ron Paul events that you see happening across the country. The simple fact that there are pro-liberty and constitutional candidates popping up in political positions across the country is evidence that this is slowly but surely working, a work in progress, but working. Don't be discouraged that the young support isn't turning into large voting numbers just yet. As cliche as it is, if you build it, they will come.
 
There is absolutely no better way to spread the message of Liberty than for RP to gain the White House and for likeminded candidates to hold positions in Congress and every other possible position.


Everything else is a poor substitute.

Amen!
 
I think you are dead wrong. I think he was always running to win, but also after 30 years didn't have much certainty he would. .

go read the chapter on "empire" in "liberty defined" and pay attention to his comments regarding cicero. it backs up your comment.
 
I see a lot of talk about what Ron Paul needs to do to win the nomination and I see a lot of criticism against his campaign about what he isn't doing to win the nomination.

Isn't the reason that everybody supported Dr. Paul in the first place not because of campaign strategies, but because of the message of liberty and freedom that he has been spreading for thirty years or so now consistently? This movement isn't about Ron Paul. Just because he is at the forefront of the movement doesn't make him winning the Presidency the life or death of this movement.

It is about creating a foundation for the future of the liberty movement. He is doing a fantastic job at that right now and has inspired millions of people not only around the United States but around the world to come together for a single cause: LIBERTY. FREEDOM. THE CONSTITUTION OF THE UNITED STATES.

The liberty movement didn't start with Ron Paul and it is not going to end with Ron Paul. He has been one of the pioneers of the modern era, but it is us the supporters that are responsible for carrying the message over the next generation.

Don't be so discouraged if he doesn't happen to win a state. It would certainly make a lot of us feel better if he won a state, but the idea that this movement is going to die if Ron Paul isn't elected president is absolutely false!

Just my two cents.

I was just going to start a thread on this same subject :)


Some people blame the "Man" on their "inability" to be free, not realizing the whole time we were free.

Sure by way of our Natural rights we should be able to pursue our own ends and live peaceable without coercion of force, but have you yet to realize that we are even more free than the people that rule over us?

They are enslaved by their ignorance and arrogance, they are enslaved by our perceptions of them, they are not supreme - at all.

We may be restricted as far our quality of life is concerned, but life is more broad than just America. The one land in which you can always be free is in the intellectual mind, is that not where all ideas of freedom and dreams of freedom originate? We are only slaves to those which we grant power over us listen to this parable from Buddah-

THE Blessed One observed the ways of society and noticed how much misery came from malignity and foolish offenses done only to gratify vanity and self-seeking pride. And the Buddha said: "If a man foolishly does me wrong, I will return to him the protection of my ungrudging love; the more evil comes from him, the more good shall go from me; the fragrance of goodness always comes to me, and the harmful air of evil goes to him."

A foolish man learning that the Buddha observed the principle of great love which commends the return of good for evil, came and abused him. The Buddha was silent, pitying his folly. When the man had finished his abuse, the Buddha asked him, saying: "Son, if a man declined to accept a present made to him, to whom would it belong?" And he answered: "In that case it would belong to the man who offered it."

"My son," said the Buddha thou hast railed at me, but I decline to accept thy abuse, and request thee to keep it thyself. Will it not be a source of misery to thee? As the echo belongs to the sound, and the shadow to the substance, so misery will overtake the evil-doer without fail."

The abuser made no reply, and Buddha continued: "A wicked man who reproaches a virtuous one is like one who looks up and spits at heaven; the spittle soils not the heaven, but comes back and defiles his own person. The slanderer is like one who flings dust at another when the wind is contrary; the dust does but return on him who threw it. The virtuous man cannot be hurt and the misery that the other would inflict comes back on himself." The abuser went away ashamed,


This is an intellectual revolution, not just a change in power. We cannot blame the ignorant for the ignorance of the ignorant.

All we can do is observe, and the conversation is changing. Things slowly change and yes, a collapse may help people to realize that the Government can be a hindrance more than a help, but people will always want other people to do the thinking and decision making for them. We are all inherently free, all we can do is lie to ourselves and deny our freedom and ability. We must continue to GOTV and Promote freedom but this is far from over and those who give up need to grow up
 
Ron Paul is doing everything that he can to win this nomination. I think that the covert "take the delegates regardless of the popular vote" strategy is a noble one. This is a revolution, not a political campaign. We're in this motherfucker to win it. That said, I say all of this with this thread's thesis in mind. This revolution is bigger than Ron Paul, and it is Paul himself who warns us against making this a cult of personality. We need to make this into a genuine movement. Think beyond Paul. Look to the Congressional races. If Paul loses the nom and opts out of a third party run, look to another candidate or look to 2016. We're in this for the long haul. Stay networked. Stay active. But please, for the love of God, don't turn this into Ron Paul worship. This is about liberty, Paul is but a servant of that cause.
 
+rep to the OP... I have so many thoughts on how Dr. Paul isn't whole movement, just the biggest piece, but I just want to say that the growth of this once-fringe movement has just been amazing, and the level of dedication from everyone has made all of the difference in the world.

It's taken me 4 years of discussions with some people for them to accept that Dr. Paul is right, and so remember that even if you don't get a convert this go round, once you plant the seeds of liberty, then eventually they can't look without seeing the cracks in the house built around them, once it's exposed to them.

They always say, you'll never meet an ex-Paul supporter, but to take that even further, you'll never find a person who fights for liberty who will ever accept anything less.
 
we all should REP the OP for the way he got this thread discussion going!
 
As someone else has been posting (sorry I can't give credit):

Ron is not Rand.
Rand is not Ron.

For Me, Rand has yet to prove himself.

Ron is not Freedom
Rand is not Freedom


Why dont you run if you are so much more qualified than Rnad, and if you aren't whats your point?

Whats your grounds?
 
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