This may be the rule that gives us majority in Louisiana

[ecliptic]

do not trust lawyers or judges or court clerks for that matter

You need someone licensed by the Louisiana bar. Just call the best guy you know in LA and take their advice.

Disagree. Choose very very carefully. Almost all lawyers are phonies who represent the interests of the courts BEFORE the interests of their clients. Most lawyers are all too willing to disregard the Constitution as that causes "friction" with today's crooked judges and crooked bars. Our legal system is completely and utterly broken.

• Holodeck Law

• Judges Being Secretly Trained To Resist Arguments Based on Constitution

 

[jrich4rpaul]

Does the campaign know about this?

 

[torchbearer]

You need someone licensed by the Louisiana bar. Just call the best guy you know in LA and take their advice.

The earliest I will be able to contact my main guy is wednesday, and I can't garuntee he'll be recovered from the decadence of mardi gras. See... he lives in the french quarter.

There is another attorney that is a former Federal magistrate, but i'm not sure he will give me a free consult... then again, an email to him wouldn't be a consult.
He owes me a small favor...

 

[TexMac]

Actually, that would qualify me too in the lawsuit... I didn't even think about that...

My lawyer friend says, "Any of the delegates would have standing."

 

[Mark]

ALSO a potentially VERY important stipulation is that

NO member of the Republican National Committee from the state shall be permitted to serve as a delegate.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~



RULE NO. 15
Election of Delegates and Alternate Delegates


e) Certification and filing by state committees.

(1) On or before the first Tuesday in September of the year before the year in which the national convention is to be held,
each Republican state committee shall adopt rules, procedures, policies, and instructive materials (prepared pursuant to Rule No. 14(a))
governing the selection of delegates and alternate delegates to the national convention to convene during the following year
and shall certify and file with the secretary of the Republican National Committee true copies of the same
and of all statutes governing the selection of such delegates and alternate delegates.


RULE NO. 14
Participation

(a) The Republican National Committee shall assist the states in their efforts to inform all citizens as to how they may participate in delegate selection procedures.
The states, in cooperation with the Republican National Committee, shall prepare instructive material on delegate selection methods and make it available for distribution.


RULE NO. 16
Enforcement of Rules

If a state or state party is determined to be in violation:

(1) No member of the Republican National Committee from the offending state
shall be permitted to serve as a delegate or alternate delegate to the national convention.

(2) After the Republican National Committee members are excluded from being part of the offending state’s delegation to the national convention,
the state party shall determine which of the state’s remaining delegates (and corresponding alternate delegates)
are entitled to serve as part of the state’s reduced delegation to the national convention.


------------------------------------------------------------------------

SHORT answer:


On or before the first Tuesday in September,
each Republican state committee shall adopt rules, procedures, policies, and instructive materials,

inform all citizens as to how they may participate, make it available for distribution,

and shall certify and file with the secretary of the Republican National Committee true copies of the same.


If a state or state party is determined to be in violation,

no member of the Republican National Committee from the offending state shall be permitted to serve
as a delegate or alternate delegate to the national convention.


The state party shall determine which of the state’s remaining delegates and alternate delegates are entitled to serve
as part of the state’s delegation.

.

 

[torchbearer]

Don't send a letter. A group of you need to walk into his office tomorrow. Just take all your papers with you and TELL the lawyer what happened. He can assemble the documentation.

No law office will be open in Louisiana until wednesday at the earliest.

 

[TexMac]

No law office will be open in Louisiana until wednesday at the earliest.

See if you can get a phone consultation to get the ball rolling.

 

[endwellmom4RON]

I am an attorney and I am willing to help. Unfortunately, I am in NY and I'm a criminal defense attorney. It's been quite awhile since I touched on anything outside of the realm of criminal defense and I am not sure how much help I would be in this fight.

 

[billjarrett]

No law office will be open in Louisiana until wednesday at the earliest.

Have you contacted campaign yet? With Dr Pauls comments on MTV yesterday, they may already be aware of it and have lawyers hired. Not that I put alot of faith in HQ, but you may be able to get more info there. Maybe it's already being worked on.

 

[pappy]

If we contest the process is there a chance that the whole delegation would be disqualified? while fighting to get a majority of delegates could we go from having a few delegates to having none (if a decision was made to throw out the whole process)?

damn the LAGOP. they could have us over a barrel. If we can't win you won't win type thing.

tough choice

pappy

 

[mokkan88]

I don't know if it's worth getting into. Perhaps the reason the OC hasn't taken a stronger hand in overturning the results is because ALL of the delegates could be taken away from EVERYONE.

 

[affa]

Definitely read to me as an escape clause for them to lose all delegates at the last moment if need be. any lawsuit should take this into account and show the corruption with intent - that is, the ruling should not be to follow that rule and lose all delegates, but instead to punish those involved in the corruption and legally include Ron Paul's delegates. If possible.

 

[ryvin1]

Torchbearer you are my hero, even if this doesn't work, you efforts are inspiring. You fight the good fight, keep it up. I don't live in LA but I've donated to your campaign for all your efforts for Ron Paul its more effective then other chip-ins to promote freedom and Ron Paul support.

 

[torchbearer]

ALSO a potentially VERY important stipulation is that

NO member of the Republican National Committee from the state shall be permitted to serve as a delegate.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~



RULE NO. 15
Election of Delegates and Alternate Delegates


e) Certification and filing by state committees.

(1) On or before the first Tuesday in September of the year before the year in which the national convention is to be held,
each Republican state committee shall adopt rules, procedures, policies, and instructive materials (prepared pursuant to Rule No. 14(a))
governing the selection of delegates and alternate delegates to the national convention to convene during the following year
and shall certify and file with the secretary of the Republican National Committee true copies of the same
and of all statutes governing the selection of such delegates and alternate delegates.


RULE NO. 14
Participation

(a) The Republican National Committee shall assist the states in their efforts to inform all citizens as to how they may participate in delegate selection procedures.
The states, in cooperation with the Republican National Committee, shall prepare instructive material on delegate selection methods and make it available for distribution.


RULE NO. 16
Enforcement of Rules

If a state or state party is determined to be in violation:

(1) No member of the Republican National Committee from the offending state
shall be permitted to serve as a delegate or alternate delegate to the national convention.

(2) After the Republican National Committee members are excluded from being part of the offending state’s delegation to the national convention,
the state party shall determine which of the state’s remaining delegates (and corresponding alternate delegates)
are entitled to serve as part of the state’s reduced delegation to the national convention.


------------------------------------------------------------------------

SHORT answer:


On or before the first Tuesday in September,
each Republican state committee shall adopt rules, procedures, policies, and instructive materials,

inform all citizens as to how they may participate, make it available for distribution,

and shall certify and file with the secretary of the Republican National Committee true copies of the same.


If a state or state party is determined to be in violation,

no member of the Republican National Committee from the offending state shall be permitted to serve
as a delegate or alternate delegate to the national convention.


The state party shall determine which of the state’s remaining delegates and alternate delegates are entitled to serve
as part of the state’s delegation.

.

Easy to read. thanks!
Now I just need to compile a list of all the wrongs I'm accusing the LAGOP of doing..

1. changing the dates of delegate qualification at the last minute when RNC rules declare they must be set in Sept.
2. not notify the citizens of how to participate
3. Having a voter list up to Nov 1 at a caucus whose rules stated you had to registered by Nov 30th. They knew via the SOS that there was a huge influx of republican in November, why would they not have a list up to november 30th if it wasnt to disenfranchise.
4.Automatic Delegates running on the ballot.



any others I'm missing?

 

[torchbearer]

What I need: The LAGOP filing with the RNC regarding its caucus selection process in September.
Also- official copy of LAGOP party by-laws regarding the elections of state delegates.

 

[louisiana4liberty]

If we contest the process is there a chance that the whole delegation would be disqualified? while fighting to get a majority of delegates could we go from having a few delegates to having none (if a decision was made to throw out the whole process)?

damn the LAGOP. they could have us over a barrel. If we can't win you won't win type thing.

tough choice

pappy

Hmmm...I was thinking the same thing, but the media cry and other publicity might give us a future net benefit in the other states while actually hurting the pro-life/pro-family and other candidate platforms.

 

[torchbearer]

Have you contacted campaign yet? With Dr Pauls comments on MTV yesterday, they may already be aware of it and have lawyers hired. Not that I put alot of faith in HQ, but you may be able to get more info there. Maybe it's already being worked on.

I've asked, I get no response. nada.
We didn't win Louisiana waiting around for HQ to do something.. and we aren't about to start waiting for them now.

 

[lynnf]

rules

We also need a copy of the state GOP by-laws on caucus and state convention. That is no where to be found...

torchbearer,

do you know someone that was a delegate at the state convention in, say 2006 - they should have produced the rules and should have distributed a copy of them to the delegates. if not done that way, maybe you could get them from an SREC (state republican executive committee) member that represents your area. that is another name for board of directors, and LA may call it something else. couldn't find them on the LAGOP website - (it said "coming soon", presumably due to the recent election).

also, Zomig or Imitrex are good for some people's migraines. Don't make you normal but they do take care of the pain. Need a prescription for them, don't take a chance that you'll be out from migraine on election day!

lynn

 

[billjarrett]

I found this (somewhat unrelated, but in our favor I guess).. It looks like LA is pretty rough on voter fraud:

http://www.natchezdemocrat.com/news/2007/dec/15/court-upholds-sentence-ferriday-woman/

If filling out an absentee ballot for someone else is worth 5 years hard labor in LA, what is the punishment for whats going on there now?

Also, dunno if this has been talked about or is of interest:

http://www.ronpaul2008.com/press-re...ign-files-caucus-challenge-with-louisiana-gop

 

[torchbearer]

I found this (somewhat unrelated, but in our favor I guess).. It looks like LA is pretty rough on voter fraud:

http://www.natchezdemocrat.com/news/2007/dec/15/court-upholds-sentence-ferriday-woman/

If filling out an absentee ballot for someone else is worth 5 years hard labor in LA, what is the punishment for whats going on there now?

To note on those cases... its always the lil' man who ends up in prison, not the power players who plan the voting fraud.
They always have people inbetween...

Do you really want to know how corrupt our system works here??? How many votes are bought and how the people who are benefiting from it the most could not even be touched?
I could write 10 pages on what i've seen first hand in my run for state rep in 2003.
This state is baaaaaaaaaaaaaad.