This may be the rule that gives us majority in Louisiana

[Ronin]

Are we sure that the GOP rules are bound in a court of law? Maybe this would fall under fraud, but did they really do anything illegal?

Also, didn't HQ exercise their right to contest the election under the rules of the LAGOP? They basically reserved the right to contest/investigate at a later date. HQ is probably just moving on and will deal with this later once all the primaries are over.

In the end I think HQ can be the only one that could get the GOP to throw out the delegates. Individual delegates can take it to the courts, but in my opinion it is doubtful anything will come from it. I mean they basically broke the rules of a "club".

 

[torchbearer]

Are we sure that the GOP rules are bound in a court of law? Maybe this would fall under fraud, but did they really do anything illegal?

Also, didn't HQ exercise their right to contest the election under the rules of the LAGOP? They basically reserved the right to contest/investigate at a later date. HQ is probably just moving on and will deal with this later once all the primaries are over.

In the end I think HQ can be the only one that could get the GOP to throw out the delegates. Individual delegates can take it to the courts, but in my opinion it is doubtful anything will come from it. I mean they basically broke the rules of a "club".

Its a Civil case, as in they have caused damages to the delegates who followed the rules by allowing other delegates onto the ballot after the deadline agreed upon by all republicans back in september.
They cheated in an agreed upon contract.

 

[literatim]

Its a Civil case, as in they have caused damages to the delegates who followed the rules by allowing other delegates onto the ballot after the deadline agreed upon by all republicans back in september.
They cheated in an agreed upon contract.

Yep and contracts are very binding.

 

[torchbearer]

If what you said is true.. then their by-laws are meaningless.. they shouldn't even have them, and just make shit up as they go... and just let the top people pick who they want....

If they make a private contest, we agreed upon rules... then they cheat to win by breaking our agreed upon rules, you can sue for damages in civil court.

 

[torchbearer]

If the LAGOP gets hit with 150 million dollar lawsuit, they may think twice before pulling this shit again.
Also- we can trash McCain's supposed victory by having 90% of the national delegates thrown out if they don't disqualify the delegates that were allowed in after the deadline.

 

[torchbearer]

I am not playing with these tools. If we can get Bill Goode on this case... they will either bend to our will or we will break them.

 

[pepperpete1]

I am sure that HQ is aware of the rules and are on top of it

Are we sure that the GOP rules are bound in a court of law? Maybe this would fall under fraud, but did they really do anything illegal?

Also, didn't HQ exercise their right to contest the election under the rules of the LAGOP? They basically reserved the right to contest/investigate at a later date. HQ is probably just moving on and will deal with this later once all the primaries are over.

In the end I think HQ can be the only one that could get the GOP to throw out the delegates. Individual delegates can take it to the courts, but in my opinion it is doubtful anything will come from it. I mean they basically broke the rules of a "club".

I have been researching this on my own just in case they do not have the info. and I just smelt a red herring with the 2 day delay.

It has been difficult to find anypublic announcements of the call to caucus which was to be done 15 days prior to the caucus.

I cannot find a site that is up that will give us the rules, policy, etc. , of the LAGOP,convienent eh?

These were to be filed with the Republican National Committee secretary. I cannot find any info on who that person may be.

The first course of action to take when a violation is suspected is to notify the chairman of the RNC. If he does not take action, then it is as I previously posted.

Of course, this may be different than the Maine caucus where the votes were really a straw poll and just a beauty contest, and it is only the delegates that count. If that is the case, then HQ may not be as concerned as we are, because they may know how many delegates we really have.

I am really getting an education on our elective system here in the USA. I always just paid attention to the way we hold our elections here in Michigan.

(By the way pepperpete1 is a woman, not a guy)

 

[dawnbt]

I've asked, I get no response. nada.
We didn't win Louisiana waiting around for HQ to do something.. and we aren't about to start waiting for them now.

Maybe the campaign is waiting out the delegate count of Super Tuesday to see how possibly losing the LA delegates will effect us before deciding to file suit.

 

[torchbearer]

Maybe the campaign is waiting out the delegate count of Super Tuesday to see how possibly losing the LA delegates will effect us before deciding to file suit.

Maybe, but i'm thinking us delegates that were actually on the ballot should join in a class action suit against the LAGOP regardless of what HQ does...
They need to learn that they aren't gods and they can't get away with the shit they are doing... regardless of if they allow us in or not.

 

[constituent]

Another rule they didn't follow, that one would disqualify the entire process.

in your opinion, do you think that perhaps that might be a good thing, or would it just hurt any positive gains made in LA?

 

[stevedasbach]

Unfortunately, the penalty for breaking the rules is that the state's delegates can be forfeited. Won't help us get Paul delegates seated.

 

[torchbearer]

Unfortunately, the penalty for breaking the rules is that the state's delegates can be forfeited. Won't help us get Paul delegates seated.

It doesn't appear we will get them seated in Louisiana if they don't follow the rules... so, we will make the LAGOP decide if they want to participate in the national convention this year.....

Also- the civil suit I'm inquiring about probably will not effect anything in the short term unless it forces them to follow the rules.... the only thing it may provide is a monetary punishment in the form or reparations for damages.

Either way- they should not get away with breaking the rules, even if it cost us a whole 2 national delegates that we may or may not get at the state convention under the current corrupt system we are helplessly participating in...

We win if they are punished. A reminder for next time.

 

[joenaab]

To torchbearer re: migraines

great work you are doing in LA. I'd like you to bring your "A-game" to the conflict, and I hate to see a brother suffer.

First, - don't know what your food & beverage habits are, but one of the leading causes of migraines is the artificial sweetener, Aspartame, used in diet soft drinks and artificial sweetener packs such as Equal. Never, ever consume something with Aspartame. It is an excitotoxin that attacks your nervous system.

Second, - regardless of cause, an excellent natural remedy that makes migraines go away instantly is the supplement Co-Enzyme Q10. Easily ordered online and likely available in natural food markets. Please never take pharmaceuticals for a migraine.

good luck to you.

 

[torchbearer]

great work you are doing in LA. I'd like you to bring your "A-game" to the conflict, and I hate to see a brother suffer.

First, - don't know what your food & beverage habits are, but one of the leading causes of migraines is the artificial sweetener, Aspartame, used in diet soft drinks and artificial sweetener packs such as Equal. Never, ever consume something with Aspartame. It is an excitotoxin that attacks your nervous system.

Second, - regardless of cause, an excellent natural remedy that makes migraines go away instantly is the supplement Co-Enzyme Q10. Easily ordered online and likely available in natural food markets. Please never take pharmaceuticals for a migraine.

good luck to you.

Aspartame may be the cause... i've been drinking a lot of diet sodas lately...
A cup of coffee is actually helping me see straight right now.

 

[torchbearer]

in your opinion, do you think that perhaps that might be a good thing, or would it just hurt any positive gains made in LA?

In my opinion, under the current circumstances, we have very little to lose if the forfeit their delegates...
If they had followed their own rules, we would have easily won Louisiana with 41 national delegates and the bragging rights to go with it.
Instead, the cheated, we lost our huge advantage and at most will end up with 2 national delegates depending on our ability to bring over 2 undecided state delegates in District 5.

I think Ron Paul stands for the rule of law, and so do I. We will hold the state GOP to their own rules.
I pray Bill Goode accepts this suit. It is time for accountability.

 

[Sandra]

Torchbearer, the original date of the caucus was Jan 10 then in mid December they changed it to Jan 22.

 

[Soccrmastr]

someone contact them or contact RP HQ.

 

[angelatc]

I've asked, I get no response. nada.
We didn't win Louisiana waiting around for HQ to do something.. and we aren't about to start waiting for them now.

Have you thought about the BlackBox (or whatever it is) group? They might have contacts.

 

[Bradley in DC]

Only 90% would be lost, and none of the delegates could be Republican National Committee LA GOP Party INSIDERS.

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(2) If a state or state party violates the Rules of the Republican Party relating to the timing of the selection process
resulting in the election of delegates or alternate delegates to the national convention
after the call to the national convention is issued,
then the number of delegates to the national convention from that state shall be reduced by ninety percent (90%),
and the corresponding alternate delegates shall also be reduced.

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In Short:

state party violates the Rules after the call - delegates reduced by 90% - No LA Republican National Committee members as delegates

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The call of the convention was November 9th, 2007.

http://www.gop.com/images/2008_Call_FINAL.pdf

 

[Bradley in DC]

Torchbearer, the original date of the caucus was Jan 10 then in mid December they changed it to Jan 22.

Brent and Sandra, if you guys in LA can work out a whole timeline of events, it would probably prove very useful to the effort. I added the RNC call of the convention (November 9th, 2007).