This is what we are up against: A neocon explains his foreign policy

[K466]

I was debating Paul's foreign policy on another forum. With a neocon, of course. Here he lays out his foreign policy principles; I wonder how many of the neocons think this way.

We are the Greatest Nation on Earth, and Blessed to be so. We have been Blessed with Might, and Morality. We have been Blessed with the unique ideals of Life, and Liberty. We have been Blessed by God.

With that Blessing, the United States has a Great Moral Responsibility. If she were to pull in her claws, as Paul suggests, and intends; bury her Guns behind her shores; try the weak and naive approach of "reason," with those who have none or at best, abhor reason; disregard Human Rights, and the Right of all People to Life and Liberty; then, we have abandoned our Great Responsibility. If you are the Strongest and most Moral in your neighbourhood, and yet allow the bully to beat the weaker, there is something Morally wrong with that. Like it or no. Without the show of outward Strength, and the Power to back it, without the will to intervene, the Vacuum is created.

The World requires a Leader, whether you prefer that reality or no: It is the incorrigible Nature of Man, that where there is none, one would surely arise...in a vacuum that Nature dictates be filled. Like it or no. If a Powerful and Moral United States, with it's purely-unique Values, is not that Leader, Evil would surely flourish; like it or no.

We are Blessed with that responsibility, Matthew...like it or no.

Peace through Strength. With Respect comes also a healthy fear. Without respect, we are not the Leader of the World. Without Strength, and an obvious willingness to project that Strength to protect the weaker, and correct the Bully...we do not fulfill our Great Moral Responsibility, Blessed to us by God.

Like it, or no.

Yuck. But this is what we are up against. We can win, but we've got to do better getting the message out. Personally I think Ron Paul could have helped his campaign tremendously by giving a major foreign policy speech awhile back, explaining how he would act as President in different scenarios, etc.

Paul's strategy of bringing all troops home within months sounds great but then, so does closing down the Fed and Social Security overnight. It's not necessarily practical; Paul agrees by not calling for the immediate end of either the Fed/SS. Perhaps if the same was done on the foreign policy issue, we would have had more support? This is the point Peter Schiff recently made trying to convince Steve Forbes to endorse Ron Paul. I think it would have worked, and Forbes sounded like he would have endorsed in that case.

 

[RM918]

Exactly what the Romans believed before they were sacked by the Vandals, no doubt.

 

[Seraphim]

The naive and weak approach of reason...HAHAHAHHA. This guy has the intellect of a primate...hardly above that of a mental retard.

 

[ctiger2]

Listens to too much Hannity and doesn't understand Ron's foreign policy. Ron isn't against necessary wars. Ron's against unconstitutionally declared wars. ie Wars without the consent of the people. People can't seem to grasp that if another country proposes a threat to us and the people communicate through their representatives that they desire to go to war and the congress officially declares war, a President Ron Paul as commander in chief will carry out the wishes of the people. It's that fucking simple. This goes for everything else as well. It is the people via their representatives that should be in charge.

 

[Occam's Banana]

You are dealing with one of those Pretentious, Sententious and Tendentious (not to mention downright Cartoonish) fools who thinks that capitalizing various Words and Phrases somehow makes what he is saying more Impressive, Imposing and Irrefutable. Such Overcompensation is a clear Sign of a Sense of Inadequacy and Insecurity, which is a Consequence of .... um .... wait a minute ... er ... nevermind.

 

[Demigod]

Tell him that he is a fascist from the purest kind

 

[flightlesskiwi]

only it's not as funny and enlightening as reading Mogambo Guru

You are dealing with one of those Pretentious, Sententious and Tendentious (not to mention downright Cartoonish) fools who thinks that capitalizing various Words and Phrases somehow makes what he is saying more Impressive, Imposing and Irrefutable. Such Overcompensation is a clear Sign of a Sense of Inadequacy and Insecurity, which is a Consequence of .... um .... wait a minute ... er ... nevermind.

 

[Jingles]

One of the things I have noticed about neocon republicans I know is they care not for economic freedom or any liberty. They want a "strong leader". They want force to be used to shape the world to their personal pleasing and liberties be damned.

They are no different really between them and the socialists who which to use force to try and make the world "equal" for all. Both ideologies tend to be that of hatred for those that disagree with them.

Basically what that guy was saying was "Peace through violence" Tell him he believes War is Peace as Orwell depicted it in 1984. Woodrow Wilson would be proud too. Ask him if Wilson is one of his political idols.

 

[jmdrake]

I was debating Paul's foreign policy on another forum. With a neocon, of course. Here he lays out his foreign policy principles; I wonder how many of the neocons think this way.



Yuck. But this is what we are up against. We can win, but we've got to do better getting the message out. Personally I think Ron Paul could have helped his campaign tremendously by giving a major foreign policy speech awhile back, explaining how he would act as President in different scenarios, etc.

Paul's strategy of bringing all troops home within months sounds great but then, so does closing down the Fed and Social Security overnight. It's not necessarily practical; Paul agrees by not calling for the immediate end of either the Fed/SS. Perhaps if the same was done on the foreign policy issue, we would have had more support? This is the point Peter Schiff recently made trying to convince Steve Forbes to endorse Ron Paul. I think it would have worked, and Forbes sounded like he would have endorsed in that case.

Post this video and ask him what he thinks.

 

[Sullivan*]

Tell him the Navy would still patrol international waters. You can project strength and make a bully think twice without lashing out irrationally. Read: Ron Paul likes the idea of nuclear-armed submarines patrolling international waters in a role of deterrence, as well as embodying a local platform for strikes if necessary.

 

[KingNothing]

These people are insane.

I'm not sure that a certain percentage of the party can be convinced. Luckily people as completely irrational as that fellow are pretty rare. ....and split between three other candidates

 

[GrahamUK]

Like it or NO, the fact is a lot of the rest of the world see the United States as being the very bully he wants to deter... Like it or NO, there is NO war on terror either, that's just all smoke and mirrors. If the US was truly under attack then they'd be bombs going off on the mainland every other week, just like was happening in Britain when the IRA were at their peak...I personally hate what both the US and UK governments are doing and i believe we will all reap what they've sowed, the blow-back could be momentus..

 

[AceNZ]

So. Many. Contradictions. Like it or no.

I would just laugh at them if they weren't so damn serious about it.

 

[HOLLYWOOD]

...With that Blessing, the United States has a Great Moral Responsibility

No one has killed more innocent Men, Women and Children, than the so-called "Moral US Government". That's a fact over the past 20 years.
BTW, it's a hypocritical idiopathic government that allows country's dictators to maim, torture, and murder, their own civilians, just as long as the "Back Room Deals" that Uncle Sugar Mandates on Dictator "X" are Carried through and Maintained"

 

[Jingles]

Also, ask him why he believes an immoral institution (the state) can somehow spread morality.

 

[amonasro]

Is his original language German? So many capitalized words...

 

[Shane Harris]

ask him if the USA was weak militarily in 2006. then tell him that ron paul would reduce defense spending to only 2006 levels. seems reasonable to me? considering its still way more than anyone else on earth.

 

[PaulStandsTall]

You are dealing with one of those Pretentious, Sententious and Tendentious (not to mention downright Cartoonish) fools who thinks that capitalizing various Words and Phrases somehow makes what he is saying more Impressive, Imposing and Irrefutable. Such Overcompensation is a clear Sign of a Sense of Inadequacy and Insecurity, which is a Consequence of .... um .... wait a minute ... er ... nevermind.

Whatever you do, don't read the Constitution.
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/6/6c/Constitution_of_the_United_States,_page_1.jpg

 

[Intoxiklown]

If it's our moral responsibility to defend the weak, then why aren't we all over Africa? Or, does our concern for the weak fall shy if they aren't being oppressed in lands that cover vast oil fields?

 

[COpatriot]

What an Ass. Does this Guy not know that a lot of the World views Us as the Fucking Bully? Like it, or no.