This is troublesome: KY may be wavering...

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When I saw Trump's tweet last night going after Rand via Kentucky, I new this could be trouble.

tweet: “Why is @RandPaul allowed to take advantage of the people of Kentucky by running for Senator and Pres? Why should Kentucky be back up plan?
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Hence, of course, Politico comes through with another take down piece on Rand on this topic:

Paul has been furiously lobbying Kentucky Republican leaders ahead of an Aug. 22 decision to rewrite party rules so he can run for president and reelection to his Senate seat simultaneously, a hedge to hold onto power should his Oval Office aspirations falter. Running for the two offices at once creates tricky legal hurdles that are surmountable only with the assent of the Kentucky Republican Party’s leadership and central committee. Though that approval once seemed assured, several members of the party executive committee told POLITICO they’re seeing increasing trepidation, in part because of Paul’s perceived fade from contention but also because he hasn’t yet fulfilled promises to cover the cost of any changes.
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Dianne said:
Arghhh.
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I wonder if Politico's staff was so principled on this issue when Joe Lieberman was allowed to run for the Senate and VP at the same time in 2000, assuming any of them were out of diapers at that time.
 
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If Paul were to lose the vote, his team might still have legal avenues to run for both offices.

If Paul loses this vote he needs to get out of the Presidential race and focus on the Senate because his campaign will be effectively over. How much money does the campaign have banked to spend on lawyers, half a mil?

$750,000 just to stage a caucus eh? What are they going to do rent, posh hotels in Louisville and Lexington to meet? And Rand has cover all of it? Great! Now you know where your money is going to everyone! To pay for a caucus state parties normally foot the bill for. Sheesh! No wonder Rand is so desperate for money.

And a lot fat good Mitch McConnell's endorsement is doing Rand. Don't you think a state party executive committee, presumably packed McConnell loyalists and knowing he endorsed Rand, would just rubber stamp this thing, pencil-whip it so the homestate boy running for President has a chance to sweep the state's delegates? Hmm? And now McConnell is extorting Rand to raise money for the state GOP legislative campaign fund? Uhh, excuse me Mitch, Rand's got a Presidential race to run not spend time begging donors for some state House candidate in Pigs Hollow, Kentucky which he doesn't like to do anyways even for himself.

This is ridiculous! A usual good rule of thumb before you run for President is to make sure the home state folks back your effort completely or at least a good portion do, otherwise you get embarrassed when other prominent politicians from back home support other candidates or they pull crap like this to sabotage your efforts. That doesn't say much to the voters. It's obvious the state GOP wants Rand to give up his Presidential bid and stay in the Senate.

You know what I do? I'd say fine, FU Kentucky GOP, I'm running for President fulltime as a citizen of the United States and you can find a Senate candidate yourselves and maybe by next May you might agree on one, how 'bout that? Call their f'ing bluff, Rand.

Again, Rand's got to take stock a make and wise decision. There's no point in running for President if no one has your back in your home state and there's no one to count on. It clear he's either got to break with the state party go full out for the White House or back out, because it's obvious the state party isn't going to allow him to have a foot on either horse, Senate or President.
 
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Hell, we might have to have a money bomb just to cover the cost of the election. Damn I hate Trump, I saw a Bush guy on tv this morning and I think they're real close to blasting his ass.
 
While the Aug. 22 meeting is critical, the state party has until Oct. 1 to inform the Republican National Committee whether it will hold a primary or caucus. That could presumably give Paul more time to raise money.
“I know Sen. Paul’s committed to help fund this,” said Sheldon, who added that Paul’s recent struggles shouldn’t be a factor in the decision about moving to a caucus. “We’ve seen this before where people start out slow and gain momentum. He’s got the type of personality and policies that if the press will give him a little time, he will garner a lot more support out there. … People sometimes don’t like change.”
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Either way, those estimated costs will be a lot for Rand to cover when he's not raking in a ton of money. Rand is going to have to increase his poll numbers and get some excitement back with the grassroots and hopefully fundraising will increase. If his poll numbers start going up, so will morale.
 
Badger Paul said:
If Paul were to lose the vote, his team might still have legal avenues to run for both offices.

If Paul loses this vote he needs to get out of the Presidential race and focus on the Senate because his campaign will be effectively over. How much money does the campaign have banked to spend on lawyers, half a mil?

$750,000 just to stage a caucus eh? What are they going to do rent, posh hotels in Louisville and Lexington to meet? And Rand has cover all of it? Great! Now you know where your money is going to everyone! To pay for a caucus state parties normally foot the bill for. Sheesh! No wonder Rand is so desperate for money.

And a lot fat good Mitch McConnell's endorsement is doing Rand. Don't you think a state party executive committee, presumably packed McConnell loyalists and knowing he endorsed Rand, would just rubber stamp this thing, pencil-whip it so the homestate boy running for President has a chance to sweep the state's delegates? Hmm? And now McConnell is extorting Rand to raise money for the state GOP legislative campaign fund? Uhh, excuse me Mitch, Rand's got a Presidential race to run not spend time begging donors for some state House candidate in Pigs Hollow, Kentucky which he doesn't like to do anyways even for himself.

This is ridiculous! A usual good rule of thumb before you run for President is to make sure the home state folks back your effort completely or at least a good portion do, otherwise you get embarrassed when other prominent politicians from back home support other candidates or they pull crap like this to sabotage your efforts. That doesn't say much to the voters. It's obvious the state GOP wants Rand to give up his Presidential bid and stay in the Senate.

You know what I do? I'd say fine, FU Kentucky GOP, I'm running for President fulltime as a citizen of the United States and you can find a Senate candidate yourselves and maybe by next May you might agree on one, how 'bout that? Call their f'ing bluff, Rand.

Again, Rand's got to take stock a make and wise decision. There's no point in running for President if no one has your back in your home state and there's no one to count on. It clear he's either got to break with the state party go full out for the White House or back out, because it's obvious the state party isn't going to allow him to have a foot on either horse, Senate or President.
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agreed.

how dumb would it be for the local GOP to basically throw away a almost-guaranteed senate seat? dumb dumb dumb.

and expecting Paul to pay for their parties? sheesh.

Id tell them to rewrite the dumb rule for $50 to allow your name to be on the ballot twice and call it a day. or tell them to kick rocks.
 
Just remember, the whole point of Rand's endorsement of Romney and his early backing of McConnell in Sept. of 2012 was to get that support back in 2016! McConnell should be working for Rand not the other way around. What f'ing waste!
 
Just run as independent for KY senate race, and have the GOP nominate whoever they want. If Rand wins the presidential nomination then drop out of the senate race. Or is it too late to do that?
 
Crashland said:
Just run as independent for KY senate race, and have the GOP nominate whoever they want. If Rand wins the presidential nomination then drop out of the senate race. Or is it too late to do that?
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You can't be on the ballot twice. Party doesn't factor in to it. This whole issue is much ado about nothing. When you vote for President, you are voting for electors, not the candidate. Rand doesn't have to run for President himself in Kentucky. He can let Bunning or his wife run in his stead. Not like Kentucky is a competitive state anyway. Whoever the "R" candidate is will win easily. The electors pledged to Bunning or Kelly Paul would obviously vote for Rand over Hillary when the Electoral College meets.
 
tweet: “Why is @RandPaul allowed to take advantage of the people of Kentucky by running for Senator and Pres? Why should Kentucky be back up plan?
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He's not wrong, you know. Had it been any other candidate but Paul, people would be clamoring for said candidate to pick one or the other instead of trying to have their cake and eat it too. And I'd hardly call this a 'take down' piece when Politico has written on this before.

http://www.politico.com/story/2015/02/rand-paul-kentucky-presidential-nominating-process-change-115156.html

Sen. Rand Paul is pushing Kentucky Republicans to change the Bluegrass State’s presidential nominating process to a caucus, allowing him to skirt a state law and run for both reelection and the GOP presidential nomination.
Paul and his allies have publicly said they have been looking for loopholes around a law that prevents a candidate’s name from appearing twice on the same ballot.
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Seriously, are people so paranoid that any article not glowing with positive remarks immediately interpreted as a hit piece, even if it just points out the facts right in front of you?
 
Hit back at Trump. The people of Kentucky are suffering no more than the employees who work for Trump while he is focused on politics.
 
If it comes down to this continuing this run for president at the expense of his senate seat then it is time to pull the plug. Simple as that.
 
Being on the ballot for Senate has always been priority #1 for KY. He's not going to forego that to be on the ballot for president if he had to make the choice.
 
He's not wrong, you know. Had it been any other candidate but Paul, people would be clamoring for said candidate to pick one or the other instead of trying to have their cake and eat it too. And I'd hardly call this a 'take down' piece when Politico has written on this before.
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Not true; Paul Ryan ran for VP and Rep at the same time in 2012 and so did many other people over the years
 
OP, if you know its a takedown piece:

1) why post it here and not SPIN
2) why not break the link???
3) Why even put in the title that KY is wavering??
 
Badger Paul said:
Just remember, the whole point of Rand's endorsement of Romney and his early backing of McConnell in Sept. of 2012 was to get that support back in 2016! McConnell should be working for Rand not the other way around. What f'ing waste!
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Have any proof of that?

What we do know is that without McConnell, Rand wouldn't have gotten on those choice committees he has been on, where he has been raising hell.
 
"Rand wouldn't have gotten on those choice committees he has been on, where he has been raising hell."

Name em'. All of them. Sub-committees too.

You're telling me you can't raise hell in the U.S. Senate by your lonesome if you're on the fricken Post Office Committe? You know what unanimous consent is? Senate holds on nominees and bills? By one single person? Please.

Mitch ain't helping Rand guys and if you want proof, this whole primary/caucus switch is the smoking gun.
 
Badger Paul said:
"Rand wouldn't have gotten on those choice committees he has been on, where he has been raising hell."

Name em'. All of them. Sub-committees too.
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He got put on the Foreign Relations Committee at the beginning of 2013 by McConnell. That was the committee where he questioned Hillary about the gun running stuff.

It was over a lot of objections. If is the most prestigious committee and it was a resume builder for Rand to make the case that he wasn't a foreign policy lightweight.

There is a lot of other stuff that McConnell did. For example McConnell attached Rand's Hemp legislation to grow industrial hemp in Kentucky the Farm Bill before it was voted on. That at least gives Rand the ability to say he got something passed for Kentucky. I could come up with at least a dozen other examples if I thought about it.
 
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