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Check out this hit piece on our meetup activities and Ron Paul. Anybody want to help set the record straight? I am so frustrated right now :mad::mad::mad:

http://www.flaglive.com/flagstafflive_story.cfm?storyID=162669

The dangerous desperation of the moonbats
By Avtar Khalsa
Published on 11/29/2007



You can see them on Sunday afternoons standing out by City Hall with their signs and the devotion of true believers. They have a message. It can be summed up in 14 words: “We all believe he is the only hope we have to save our nation.”
Strangely, they’re not referring to any deity or higher power. And they’re not out there spreading the good word about Jesus or Reverend Moon or Lord Krishna.
No, for them, the salvation of our great nation depends on the election of a 72-year old Republican congressman from Texas who is running for president. His name is Ron Paul.
Among his somewhat interesting qualities, Congressman Paul happens to be the only contender for the 2008 Republican nomination for president who thinks the U.S. should get out of Iraq, and do it now.
If you’re a Republican and you’re against the war, you don’t have a lot of options. You can acknowledge that your party has become a brutal combination of Big Brother and an international crime syndicate that makes the Corleone family look like a bunch of school boys stealing bubble gum.


That would cause a sane person to at least consider some other political affiliation.
Or you can imagine there is some Republican great and wise enough to lead your party out of the darkness of corruption, greed and the lust for empire. And I guess if you imagine hard enough, you find that person in Dr. Ron Paul, neo-libertarian and candidate for president.
He has received significant attention recently for his campaign’s ability to successfully raise large sums of money online. The other Republican candidates remain clueless about the power of what has come to be called “Netroots” fundraising. But libertarian computer techies flocked to Paul’s campaign, and provided a means to both raise money and raise their candidate’s profile with Net-savvy voters.
I don’t know if anyone else calls Congressman Paul a neo-libertarian, but that’s an apt label for someone of his leanings. He wears the libertarian mantle proudly when he decries the current administration’s passion for conducting surveillance on just about everyone with a telephone and a computer. Put that together with his opposition to the war, and you can see why, at first blush, Congressman Paul might look attractive to voters on the libertarian right who feel they have no where else to turn.
But Congressman Paul is not a true libertarian. Twice he has proposed amendments to the U.S. Constitution banning destruction of the U.S. flag. A true libertarian places the value of free expression above that of a symbol of that freedom.
Free to pick and choose which libertarian causes he promotes, Paul champions those that run the gamut from mean-spirited to outright scary.
Six times he has introduced legislation prohibiting any federal funds being used for family planning or population control. That would mean members of the armed forces, who get their medical care from the government at military hospitals and clinics, couldn’t get any guidance or assistance about any form of birth control whatsoever.
Further, he would ban all federal courts below the Supreme Court from ruling on cases involving abortion, or cases concerning discrimination based on religious belief or sexual orientation.
He has also introduced legislation that would repeal the minimum wage and the Occupational Safety and Health Act, gut the Labor Relations Act, the Clean Air Act, and Social Security. There is not enough room in this column to list all the disastrous legislation Paul has pushed in Congress. I’ve only scratched the surface here.
What’s really troubling about Ron Paul is his views on race. And it is those views that have made Ron Paul the darling of numerous neo-Nazi and white separatist groups. While it is not fair to judge a candidate by his supporters, it’s important to know why they support him.
Here’s Ron Paul in his own words: “The professional blacks may have cowed the elites, but good sense survives at the grass roots. Many more are going to have difficultly avoiding the belief that our country is being destroyed by a group of actual and potential terrorists—and they can be identified by the color of their skin.”
Referring to Washington, D.C., Paul wrote, “I think we can safely assume that 95 percent of the black males in that city are either semi-criminal or entirely criminal.”
There he is, folks, in black and white. The only hope we have to save our nation? Wrong answer.
 
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That's an old, debunked argument. It wont go anywhere else. It stalled a month ago already.
 
That's an old, debunked argument. It wont go anywhere else. It stalled a month ago already.

I explained it in a letter to the editor a few minutes ago. The problem is, even though the major media knows better than to report it, local papers like mine think it's a good smear that nobody will fact check. I hope to prove them wrong. I told them I wanted to see reliable sources. I just hope they receive enough complaints that they ask somebody from my meetup to write a rebuttal or something.
 
If you’re a Republican and you’re against the war, you don’t have a lot of options. You can acknowledge that your party has become a brutal combination of Big Brother and an international crime syndicate that makes the Corleone family look like a bunch of school boys stealing bubble gum.

Well, not all of the article is bogus :D

Dutch
 
Avtar Khalsa

Isn't he what I upload as a pic to a msg board?

Seriously, though, who cares...

I love how people try to paint Paul's support as him being the only real anti-war candidate.

As for some stuff like this...

But Congressman Paul is not a true libertarian. Twice he has proposed amendments to the U.S. Constitution banning destruction of the U.S. flag. A true libertarian places the value of free expression above that of a symbol of that freedom.

Here's what I see...

http://www.flaglive.com/flagstafflive_story.cfm?storyID=162669

And really, in the current debate with the current crop of candidates, I wouldn't care if Paul advocated punishment of flag burning by death. True, it's not philosophically sound. But, wtf? Look at the HUNDREDS of things that need to be overlooked for any other candidate.

And I don't really care about idiots like this, anyway. It's mainstream media manipulation that's a problem.

If that were run on a major news network, I'd go make a donation. Major news outlets know exactly what they are doing. Somebody like that guy can disagree and be stupid all he wants. In fact, I will happily support his right to sucede from the union after Paul wins.
 
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Well, not all of the article is bogus :D

Dutch

LOL. We were standing out holding our signs like we do every Sunday and somebody drove by and said hey, you guys are in the paper. I went around the block and grabbed a few and we all started reading at the same time. At first we were like hey this is cool. And then we got to the second column :D
 
Could you print out a really good rebuttal to those lies and put them inside every one of those papers around town? The flag one is so stupid and sad, because in fact Ron Paul is about the only one Republican or Democrat that actually does believe it would be horrible to outlaw flag burning. Goes to show the world is full of stupid people. It's just amazing how many of them are "journalists" and how horrible of journalists they are. There ONE JOB is to get it right, at all costs; to not print something false; to research and fact-check; to be reliable and trustworthy. Instead they are no better than a highschool freshman many times. No integrity, despicable.
 
ron paul doesn't want the federal government to spend money on POPULATION CONTROL?! what is wrong with the doctor? surely he can see the merits of that fine institution! a near-science they call it. save us from ourselves, america!
 
WHO IS AVTAR KHALSA?

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There was a small ripple in the Coconino County Democratic Party leadership on Thursday when Avtar Khalsa resigned as the Director of Precinct Operations.

Khalsa, who came in a close second to incumbant Brian Kolb in a 4-way primary race for Justice of the Peace last fall, accepted the PC Coordinator job when Cathy Fine moved up from the Precinct job to a vice-chair position. Fine was recently accepted to law school at Arizona State and stepped down from the vice-chair spot last month.

Khalsa reportedly told County Chair Harriet Young that work and family responsibilities have kept him from doing a thorough job as the PC Coordinator. Khalsa is the director of the Coconino Council for Children, and also chairs the City of Flagstaff Planning and Zoning Commission.

It's probably just a coincidence, But Khalsa's resignation comes just two days Arizona DEQ Director Steve Owens complained that Khalsa forwarded an invitation to all the county Democratic PCs for a fundraiser for Congressional candidate Ann Kirkpatrick. Owens reportedly said that by Khalsa forwarding the invitation, the party was showing favoritism to a candidate in a contested primary.

Khalsa replied that he would do the same for any Democratic candidate, so he couldn't see where he demonstrated any favoritism. Young, the county chair, seems to have settled the matter by stating that from now on, all such invitations would come through her. Though it seems like shes going to do pretty much what Khalsa did -- forward them to the party faithful.
 
WHO IS AVTAR KHALSA?

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There was a small ripple in the Coconino County Democratic Party leadership on Thursday when Avtar Khalsa resigned as the Director of Precinct Operations.

Khalsa, who came in a close second to incumbant Brian Kolb in a 4-way primary race for Justice of the Peace last fall, accepted the PC Coordinator job when Cathy Fine moved up from the Precinct job to a vice-chair position. Fine was recently accepted to law school at Arizona State and stepped down from the vice-chair spot last month.

Khalsa reportedly told County Chair Harriet Young that work and family responsibilities have kept him from doing a thorough job as the PC Coordinator. Khalsa is the director of the Coconino Council for Children, and also chairs the City of Flagstaff Planning and Zoning Commission.

It's probably just a coincidence, But Khalsa's resignation comes just two days Arizona DEQ Director Steve Owens complained that Khalsa forwarded an invitation to all the county Democratic PCs for a fundraiser for Congressional candidate Ann Kirkpatrick. Owens reportedly said that by Khalsa forwarding the invitation, the party was showing favoritism to a candidate in a contested primary.

Khalsa replied that he would do the same for any Democratic candidate, so he couldn't see where he demonstrated any favoritism. Young, the county chair, seems to have settled the matter by stating that from now on, all such invitations would come through her. Though it seems like shes going to do pretty much what Khalsa did -- forward them to the party faithful.

Ha ha, thanks for that. :D I don't know what's worse, attacks from democrats or attacks from republicans.
 
Attacks from people who are pretending to be neutral observers but who in fact serve and agenda that is at odds with journalism. At no point is the author described as what he is, a key player in democratic politics in the Flagstaff area.

I find it to be smarmy.
 
My meetup group will be interested in this bit of information when we meet tonight :cool:
 
Check out this hit piece on our meetup activities and Ron Paul. Anybody want to help set the record straight? I am so pissed right now
Why get emotional because others don't understand the truth? That's their problem, not yours or mine.

“We all believe he is the only hope we have to save our nation.”
No, it is the responsibility of ALL Americans. It has gone on for so long, so few doing anything, that now we need the President to fix it. Don't get me wrong, I certainly do feel that Ron is the man we need. But if he gets voted in, it will last how long? 4 years? 8 years, maybe? Then what? Pray we can find someone to replace him? Or maybe we should get our lazy butts and keep it from screwing up again?

No, for them, the salvation of our great nation depends on the election of a 72-year old Republican congressman from Texas who is running for president. His name is Ron Paul.
Correction: President-elect Ron Paul! :D

What’s really troubling about Ron Paul is his views on race. And it is those views that have made Ron Paul the darling of numerous neo-Nazi and white separatist groups. While it is not fair to judge a candidate by his supporters, it’s important to know why they support him.
Whoa. Wait a minute. Ok, maybe White Supremacism is wrong. Whoever wants to beleive that can, that's their right. Enforcing it, different story. But what's wrong with Separatism? Hey buddy, if I go buy me 10,000 acres and want to live separate from others, I will. Anyone wants to argue that can argue with my Second Amendment right. If I want to work somewhere separate from people of other races/nationalities, that's my choice. If it means not working somewhere like Wal-Mart, then so be it. MY CHOICE. But is that wrong? Damn. Reminds me so well how *I* was labeled a racist while in college just because I refuse to marry outside my race. Just because. My life, I'll live it as I see fit. Even someone like Mr. Paul doesn't have the authority or the right to decide for me.

Here’s Ron Paul in his own words: “The professional blacks may have cowed the elites, but good sense survives at the grass roots. Many more are going to have difficultly avoiding the belief that our country is being destroyed by a group of actual and potential terrorists—and they can be identified by the color of their skin.”
Facts are still facts. Look at the hate crimes committed. So many whites nailed for hate crimes, some are so small that at worst it might be a 3rd degree misdemeanor. Now a felony. OTOH the Carr brothers go to prison (IIRC), for rape and murder even though they admitted they did it because the women and their boyfriends were white. No hate crime, eh? Only because it's a crime committed by blacks.

Referring to Washington, D.C., Paul wrote, “I think we can safely assume that 95 percent of the black males in that city are either semi-criminal or entirely criminal.”

There he is, folks, in black and white. The only hope we have to save our nation? Wrong answer.
The USDoJ did a study on this and they found that color has a lot to do with the criminal activity. Look at Africa. Some of those countries did exceptionally well while under British or French rule, but when their natives took over, well, look at Mogadishu. Cote' Ivory. In fact, look at Africa on the map. At least 1/2 to 2/3 of Africa.

Is that a black thing? Yes and no. It is happening, that's a fact. The natives are black, that's a fact. But even then greed and corruption prevail. Is that racial? Only if they wish to make it racial. They are the ones that can decide for themselves if they want greed and corruption to rule over their lives and their family's lives. They chose the easy route which is why it looks racial. Here in the US so many of our forefathers built America from the ground up. They took the hard moral road. Not the easy road. THAT is the difference.

When people like Al Sharpton stand up whining about racist whites, he's not paying attention to reality. Whites were never handed anything. Slaves did not do all the work. And if we have to work for what we got then so can the black and other non-whites. This means that black kid on the corner can decide to be a good man or a criminal. He can chose to go to school to learn or steal cars. Even Obama got an education. No one's stopping them. They decide for themselves. And then the cause for such decisions becomes a moral issue involving Hollywood, and I don't feel like covering that one.


It doesn't matter what other say. Let the facts speak for themselves.
Who cares if they lie? Let the facts speak for themselves.
If they lie, tell the public just that and direct them appropriately- Let the facts speak for themselves.
 
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