This is a disgrace!

I think they could be very smart, letting all these tards blow all there money in the early states when there is not a clear frontrunner then when it is down to 2 or 3 canidates he will have all the money he needs for a media blitz. Think about the bigger picture, this is a marathon not a sprint.
 
I think they could be very smart, letting all these tards blow all there money in the early states when there is not a clear frontrunner then when it is down to 2 or 3 canidates he will have all the money he needs for a media blitz. Think about the bigger picture, this is a marathon not a sprint.

That's a great point.. it is a time-honoured tactic in politics to let your opponent come onto the punch, and then knock them down. It is risky though, you can't let it slide too far before it looks like you're an also-ran.
 
The man is RP and if he is going to lead the country then he must first lead his campaign at the same level of his competition. The grassroots provided support and worked hard to raise money.

RP needs to hire real campaign managers to compete with the big dogs and start being a leader and admit to mistakes and shortages in talent.

RP also needs to demand a recount.

RP talks well but his humble approach to the seriousness of this years campaign will wash away all the work the grassroots supporters have done.

I can understand that when RP first started he may not have expected such a following but he should have switched gears when he saw the support and the donations rise.

When all you hear about in the media is about RP supporters doing this and saying that then you know something is wrong...its should be about RP platform and how he's attacking McCain or Huck or Rudy or about the war...


I totally agree.
 
I totally agree.

Is this going to happen?

Is the national campaign going to bring in a "top tier" campaign staff with the experience to turn this thing around and win?

That is what I want to know!

<< I hope they do.. It's worth the money. If McCain can afford, we sure as hell can. I hope that I'm so wrong, that I'm just being negative, I just get the feeling Kent Snyder is way out of his depth in a national primary election.
 
Often, the campaign and grassroots are better off when there is no official direction from the campaign.

Campaign finance law could turn money spent on individual or grassroots organized projects into campaign contributions and subject to FEC regulations if they appear to result from or be approved of by some contact from the campaign.

My personal take: Paul needs to not worry so much about the other candidates or alot of other issues he spends time on, and stick to the message of Liberty, Natural Rights, Rule of Law, Constitutional Government, Economics, and Monetary Policy. These are the issues people need to understand that will let them understand his policy positions.

But he might not be very likely to change too quickly for either of us. Paul didn't spend ten terms in Congress fighting for Liberty and often being the 1 vote against alot of crap by giving into the critisizms of those around him and changing his view from what seemed right to him.

Besides, Paul's far from the incompetent many seem to imply. Who's done more or converted more people to the cause of Liberty than Paul in the last 10 years?


I have a lot of faith in RP himself, I have less trust for the coterie of advisors around him, the ones running the national campaign. The best things going for the movement have been the message, Ron himself, and the grassroots. All that has been achieved has been done not because of, but in spite of the HQ. I hope that can change, because if HQ using everything they have at their disposal in the right way, we would be unstoppable.

I also think Ron Paul has to start sharpening his message. He needs to sharpen it down to three or four key messages because a lot of people will hear him speak and maybe agree but not generally understand what he's about.

*Bring the troops home now
*Stop the runaway inflation
*Cut the deficit spending
*Abolish the income tax

We need to be focused like a laser-beam, I think he shouldn't have let them side-track him with the civil war issue and so forth. It wasn't his fault, it was a set-up, but he has to be firm and take control of the interviewer, and do it on his terms.
 
This is an endurance race. If you blow everything in the first 3 states where does that leave you for the rest?

I honestly think thats the strategy here. Everyone is worrying so much about these states, so let the other candidates blow their wad, expecting ron paul to fade into obscurity after getting 3rd or lower a few times, and coast their way to the nomination.

Then we come out of nowhere, putting all that money to use.

Just a guess on my part.

Regardless, this isn't just a presidential campaign, this is a movement. 10 years from now I'll still be a Paulite whether he's been in the white house for two terms or not.
 
I don't post here much (really at all). I lurk a fair bit, but I am committed to the campaign and I feel strongly about this.

Putting aside the issue of anomalies in the New Hampshire recount, the HQ has mismanaged the campaign from day one.

New Hampshire has been an unmitigated disaster.. The idea that somehow Dr Paul could do well by spending a paltry $300,000 is a joke. I think many would have seen it as money well spent if they spent ten times that in NH.

And then you have these people on the boards saying, "You don't understand elections, delegates are all that matters". They are the ones who don't seem to understand that political campaigns are about momentum, buzz and media coverage. We needed a 3rd place in New Hampshire to carry us into Feb 5th. Everyone knew that we had to have a good strategy for NH, because that was our opening.

While the other GOP campaigns are starting to gather steam, we look dead in the water. While we stagnate, people are starting to look to the Democratic race.

The HQ's expectation that the grassroots do everything has been totally misguided. What did we raise $20 million for? What did people who can barely (or can't) afford sending $100 or $200 or $500 do this for? So HQ can sit on $20 million? So we can run an amateur, second-rate campaign? And they expect us to raise another $23 million when we have a performance like this.

The grassroots Ron Paul supporters have worked so hard, for so long, its been a long year, and we did everything possible. We relied on the campaign, we thought they had a strategy, we thought they had things in hand.. and they failed us.

This is totally unacceptable. We need new leadership running the campaign. We need the people who are around Ron Paul and giving him such bad advice to get out. Kent Snyder failed deliver, and he should resign.

STFU.
 
This is an endurance race. If you blow everything in the first 3 states where does that leave you for the rest?

I honestly think thats the strategy here. Everyone is worrying so much about these states, so let the other candidates blow their wad, expecting ron paul to fade into obscurity after getting 3rd or lower a few times, and coast their way to the nomination.

Then we come out of nowhere, putting all that money to use.

Just a guess on my part.

Regardless, this isn't just a presidential campaign, this is a movement. 10 years from now I'll still be a Paulite whether he's been in the white house for two terms or not.

I am totally in agreement. Whatever happens here, a movement has been created. If 10% of the population follow Dr Paul, then thats 30 million Americans. These freedom-loving Americans aren't going back to sleep. And I suspect that once someone becomes an RP/Freedom movement supporter, they don't go back.

With regards to strategy, I can see the logic of doing this like a marathon. My concern is that if we let it slide too far, we may not be able to recover. But like you said, whatever happens, a movement has been created here.

I've known of RP for about 4 years now, and looking back to 2 years, its incredible for me to see whats happening. This movement will have even more influence in off-year elections and years where there isn't such high levels of interest in the election (i.e. high voter turnout)
 
And just a quick caveat to everything I've said, I'm appalled and disgusted that people here find it so easy to say things like "Go away newb" or "STFU" or saying I should be reported to admins for my "suspicious" posts.

I thought that RP supporters were a little more mature and principled than to do exactly what the movement's enemies have been doing, shutting people down for expressing an opinion, telling someone to shut up and go back to sleep, rather than debating with me about where I am wrong or rebutting my arguements.
 
I think it's interesting that the gloom and doom is brought by newbies, while committed posters with proven track records have a more sober attitude. That's all.
 
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