This is a disgrace!

[theageofreason]

I don't post here much (really at all). I lurk a fair bit, but I am committed to the campaign and I feel strongly about this.

Putting aside the issue of anomalies in the New Hampshire recount, the HQ has mismanaged the campaign from day one.

New Hampshire has been an unmitigated disaster.. The idea that somehow Dr Paul could do well by spending a paltry $300,000 is a joke. I think many would have seen it as money well spent if they spent ten times that in NH.

And then you have these people on the boards saying, "You don't understand elections, delegates are all that matters". They are the ones who don't seem to understand that political campaigns are about momentum, buzz and media coverage. We needed a 3rd place in New Hampshire to carry us into Feb 5th. Everyone knew that we had to have a good strategy for NH, because that was our opening.

While the other GOP campaigns are starting to gather steam, we look dead in the water. While we stagnate, people are starting to look to the Democratic race.

The HQ's expectation that the grassroots do everything has been totally misguided. What did we raise $20 million for? What did people who can barely (or can't) afford sending $100 or $200 or $500 do this for? So HQ can sit on $20 million? So we can run an amateur, second-rate campaign? And they expect us to raise another $23 million when we have a performance like this.

The grassroots Ron Paul supporters have worked so hard, for so long, its been a long year, and we did everything possible. We relied on the campaign, we thought they had a strategy, we thought they had things in hand.. and they failed us.

This is totally unacceptable. We need new leadership running the campaign. We need the people who are around Ron Paul and giving him such bad advice to get out. Kent Snyder failed deliver, and he should resign.

 

[noztnac]

I don't post here much (really at all). I lurk a fair bit, but I am committed to the campaign and I feel strongly about this.

Putting aside the issue of anomalies in the New Hampshire recount, the HQ has mismanaged the campaign from day one.

New Hampshire has been an unmitigated disaster.. The idea that somehow Dr Paul could do well by spending a paltry $300,000 is a joke. I think many would have seen it as money well spent if they spent ten times that in NH.

And then you have these people on the boards saying, "You don't understand elections, delegates are all that matters". They are the ones who don't seem to understand that political campaigns are about momentum, buzz and media coverage. We needed a 3rd place in New Hampshire to carry us into Feb 5th. Everyone knew that we had to have a good strategy for NH, because that was our opening.

While the other GOP campaigns are starting to gather steam, we look dead in the water. While we stagnate, people are starting to look to the Democratic race.

The HQ's expectation that the grassroots do everything has been totally misguided. What did we raise $20 million for? What did people who can barely (or can't) afford sending $100 or $200 or $500 do this for? So HQ can sit on $20 million? So we can run an amateur, second-rate campaign? And they expect us to raise another $23 million when we have a performance like this.

The grassroots Ron Paul supporters have worked so hard, for so long, its been a long year, and we did everything possible. We relied on the campaign, we thought they had a strategy, we thought they had things in hand.. and they failed us.

This is totally unacceptable. We need new leadership running the campaign. We need the people who are around Ron Paul and giving him such bad advice to get out. Kent Snyder failed deliver, and he should resign.

You have only five posts and one is the same post four times. You are seriously raising suspicions.

 

[Electric Church]

Here we go again...lol

Same member, different username

with only 5 posts to your username credit. You must of been bitin at the bit ta get this one out

 

[theageofreason]

If you're suspicious of me being critical of the campaign then you are seriously paranoid. I'm so sick of anyone that doesn't tow the line being accused of being a shill or cointelpro or something along those lines.

This isn't some straw poll at a county fair, this is a national primary election. For Ron Paul to start getting some knockout blows in, we need to lift our game. If you think the campaign is getting along fine, believe that.

Believe that everything is hunky dory while we sleepwalk into complete electoral annihilation.

 

[morlhzd]

I don't care about the campaign - I only care about all that the feeling I get supporting something I really believe in.

 

[theageofreason]

Here we go again...lol

Same member, different username

with only 5 posts to your username credit. You must of been bitin at the bit ta get this one out

I don't know what you're talking about same member, I've posted here once before about the need to start thinking about congressional races too.

The problem is people that think everything is fine and that anyone who questions that is a shill or a troll. Get over it, if you don't like what I'm saying, argue against my points. Respond to what I'm saying, or say nothing at all. Don't come onto the thread and dismiss it with a wave of the hand, like anyone who disagrees with you is some kind of traitor to the campaign.

 

[parocks]

Where did you get that $300,000 figure?

Does that include all the TV commercials that aired in Portland, ME?

I mean, if I hear that only $300,000 was spent, I'll feel a lot better, not worse.

Based on my experiences in New Hampshire, I feel pretty good about the campaign already.

Don't forget, he was under 5% in the polls until fairly recently, and the 10% and
8% figures do legitimate him to a certain degree.

Don't forget, we have a lot of money.

Perhaps the campaign strategy is similar to the Giuliani stategy.

No one has wrapped it up by any means.

There are a lot of little bugs to be worked out of the campaign
system.

Obama looks like he's gonna run away with it.

("Voter fraud" or an impossibly good GOTV effort
I think helped Hillary. See the results of the comparisons
Clinton vs Obama cities vs country)

There are 6 candidates of note left.
3 front runners, 3 who are saving themselves for the stretch drive.

I don't post here much (really at all). I lurk a fair bit, but I am committed to the campaign and I feel strongly about this.

Putting aside the issue of anomalies in the New Hampshire recount, the HQ has mismanaged the campaign from day one.

New Hampshire has been an unmitigated disaster.. The idea that somehow Dr Paul could do well by spending a paltry $300,000 is a joke. I think many would have seen it as money well spent if they spent ten times that in NH.

And then you have these people on the boards saying, "You don't understand elections, delegates are all that matters". They are the ones who don't seem to understand that political campaigns are about momentum, buzz and media coverage. We needed a 3rd place in New Hampshire to carry us into Feb 5th. Everyone knew that we had to have a good strategy for NH, because that was our opening.

While the other GOP campaigns are starting to gather steam, we look dead in the water. While we stagnate, people are starting to look to the Democratic race.

The HQ's expectation that the grassroots do everything has been totally misguided. What did we raise $20 million for? What did people who can barely (or can't) afford sending $100 or $200 or $500 do this for? So HQ can sit on $20 million? So we can run an amateur, second-rate campaign? And they expect us to raise another $23 million when we have a performance like this.

The grassroots Ron Paul supporters have worked so hard, for so long, its been a long year, and we did everything possible. We relied on the campaign, we thought they had a strategy, we thought they had things in hand.. and they failed us.

This is totally unacceptable. We need new leadership running the campaign. We need the people who are around Ron Paul and giving him such bad advice to get out. Kent Snyder failed deliver, and he should resign.

 

[theageofreason]

I did read the $300,000 figure on here, perhaps I should check it out.

I understand where you're coming from, and talking to friends who were in NH, they said that the grassroots efforts there were incredible.. I don't mean to be so negative about it, but I feel that the HQ has made some quite serious mistakes.

I just hope the campaign has a strategy in mind, any strategy. It seems like they are just playing the whole thing by ear. And seeing a 5th place in NH, it was like being punched in the gut.

No matter what happens, I'm in for the long haul. I just think Kent Snyder/HQ etc really need to start taking it to the next level.

 

[losinglife]

lame ass babble

go away newb

 

[dc74rp]

When it was time to spend, Q4 had $10 million predictions

When Paul first set the goal of $12 mil for Q4, virtually everyone said it was impossible. Hell, the $5 mil for Q3 seemed a miracle at the time, and it was common to hear people concerned setting the goal at 12 was a mistake, and that the media was going to make us look bad for not reaching it.

The the campaign sent out an email saying they couldn't wait for the Dec 16 Tea Party to reach thier $12 mil goal because tv ads had to be paid for further in advance. It seems they were concerned people were holding back the cash, and they wouldn't be able to afford to pay for tv ads in the early States.

Well, they didn't hit $12 mil til the 16th.

Not knowing what they were going to have in the bank by the end of Dec, and with a few less than 50 States left for him to spend money in after NH, it was a choice between spending his chickens before they hatched in the early States, or pacing himself to spread the message to the whole country.

Being a candidate that promotes balanced budgets and critisizes the Government for spending money it doesn't have, it might not improve his credibility to blow all his known budget on States that combined might provide a little over 10 electoral votes out of more than 500 total for the whole country.

That might have been more likely to knock Paul out of the race than not spending enough.

I say it's time to do through the rest of the 50 States with primary votes what we did in those 4 fundraising quarters with dollars.

 

[TruthLiberates]

The man is RP and if he is going to lead the country then he must first lead his campaign at the same level of his competition. The grassroots provided support and worked hard to raise money.

RP needs to hire real campaign managers to compete with the big dogs and start being a leader and admit to mistakes and shortages in talent.

RP also needs to demand a recount.

RP talks well but his humble approach to the seriousness of this years campaign will wash away all the work the grassroots supporters have done.

I can understand that when RP first started he may not have expected such a following but he should have switched gears when he saw the support and the donations rise.

When all you hear about in the media is about RP supporters doing this and saying that then you know something is wrong...its should be about RP platform and how he's attacking McCain or Huck or Rudy or about the war...

 

[Sandra]

Admin has told us to report new ID's that have only negative posts.

 

[Victor]

This thread is a disgrace.

 

[JS4Pat]

The grassroots Ron Paul supporters have worked so hard, for so long, its been a long year, and we did everything possible. We relied on the campaign, we thought they had a strategy, we thought they had things in hand.. and they failed us.

This is totally unacceptable. We need new leadership running the campaign. We need the people who are around Ron Paul and giving him such bad advice to get out. Kent Snyder failed deliver, and he should resign.

I totally agree.

Is this going to happen?

Is the national campaign going to bring in a "top tier" campaign staff with the experience to turn this thing around and win?

That is what I want to know!

 

[dc74rp]

Often, the campaign and grassroots are better off when there is no official direction from the campaign.

Campaign finance law could turn money spent on individual or grassroots organized projects into campaign contributions and subject to FEC regulations if they appear to result from or be approved of by some contact from the campaign.

My personal take: Paul needs to not worry so much about the other candidates or alot of other issues he spends time on, and stick to the message of Liberty, Natural Rights, Rule of Law, Constitutional Government, Economics, and Monetary Policy. These are the issues people need to understand that will let them understand his policy positions.

But he might not be very likely to change too quickly for either of us. Paul didn't spend ten terms in Congress fighting for Liberty and often being the 1 vote against alot of crap by giving into the critisizms of those around him and changing his view from what seemed right to him.

Besides, Paul's far from the incompetent many seem to imply. Who's done more or converted more people to the cause of Liberty than Paul in the last 10 years?

 

[traitorist]

If you're suspicious of me being critical of the campaign then you are seriously paranoid. I'm so sick of anyone that doesn't tow the line being accused of being a shill or cointelpro or something along those lines.

i have to admit, it's getting a little old for me too.

 

[theageofreason]

Admin has told us to report new ID's that have only negative posts.

Omg, to hear that from a RP supporter.

I think you should be reported to Homeland Security, you're obviously being negative on the war.. you must be with Al-Qaeda, sowing dissent. If the admins are going around saying anyone with something critical to say is suspect, then they are seriously paranoid or closet authoritarians.

 

[theageofreason]

go away newb

If you don't like what I'm saying, then respond to it, argue against it. Or say nothing. If you just dismiss it out of hand because you don't like it, but are too lazy to actually counter it, you are an appalling hypocrite, and it should probably be you that goes away.

 

[John P Slevin]

3 million not 150,000.00

I don't post here much (really at all). I lurk a fair bit, but I am committed to the campaign and I feel strongly about this.

Putting aside the issue of anomalies in the New Hampshire recount, the HQ has mismanaged the campaign from day one.

New Hampshire has been an unmitigated disaster.. The idea that somehow Dr Paul could do well by spending a paltry $300,000 is a joke. I think many would have seen it as money well spent if they spent ten times that in NH.

And then you have these people on the boards saying, "You don't understand elections, delegates are all that matters". They are the ones who don't seem to understand that political campaigns are about momentum, buzz and media coverage. We needed a 3rd place in New Hampshire to carry us into Feb 5th. Everyone knew that we had to have a good strategy for NH, because that was our opening.

While the other GOP campaigns are starting to gather steam, we look dead in the water. While we stagnate, people are starting to look to the Democratic race.

The HQ's expectation that the grassroots do everything has been totally misguided. What did we raise $20 million for? What did people who can barely (or can't) afford sending $100 or $200 or $500 do this for? So HQ can sit on $20 million? So we can run an amateur, second-rate campaign? And they expect us to raise another $23 million when we have a performance like this.

The grassroots Ron Paul supporters have worked so hard, for so long, its been a long year, and we did everything possible. We relied on the campaign, we thought they had a strategy, we thought they had things in hand.. and they failed us.

This is totally unacceptable. We need new leadership running the campaign. We need the people who are around Ron Paul and giving him such bad advice to get out. Kent Snyder failed deliver, and he should resign.

Ron Paul spent over 3 million in New Hampshire.

That's from a Paul spokesperson quoted in the NY Times.

Now, go forth and do good works.

 

[theageofreason]

When Paul first set the goal of $12 mil for Q4, virtually everyone said it was impossible. Hell, the $5 mil for Q3 seemed a miracle at the time, and it was common to hear people concerned setting the goal at 12 was a mistake, and that the media was going to make us look bad for not reaching it.

The the campaign sent out an email saying they couldn't wait for the Dec 16 Tea Party to reach thier $12 mil goal because tv ads had to be paid for further in advance. It seems they were concerned people were holding back the cash, and they wouldn't be able to afford to pay for tv ads in the early States.

Well, they didn't hit $12 mil til the 16th.

Not knowing what they were going to have in the bank by the end of Dec, and with a few less than 50 States left for him to spend money in after NH, it was a choice between spending his chickens before they hatched in the early States, or pacing himself to spread the message to the whole country.

Being a candidate that promotes balanced budgets and critisizes the Government for spending money it doesn't have, it might not improve his credibility to blow all his known budget on States that combined might provide a little over 10 electoral votes out of more than 500 total for the whole country.

That might have been more likely to knock Paul out of the race than not spending enough.

I say it's time to do through the rest of the 50 States with primary votes what we did in those 4 fundraising quarters with dollars.



You make a very good point. I guess my perspective is that spending the money all over could diffuse and lessen the effect of one big win, which would bring in incalculably valuable media coverage. We need to show them we can win. Its really an opinion on what type of strategy to follow, I hope that whatever is happening the campaign really has a strategy.

It seems like they are just, as I said before, playing it by ear. Kent Snyder is a good man I'm sure, I just don't think he has the experience or expertise to run a national campaign. Up to now, everything the campaign has going for it was the message and the grassroots.

If we could add an effective, aggressive and co-ordinated national campaign structure to the first two, I have no doubts we would be unbeatable.