This guy thinks Ron Paul supporters would be better off voting for Obama than Romney

[sailingaway]

Me, I'm writing in Ron Paul.

It is interesting to read the article, but I couldn't help but laugh at how he had to phrase his plugs for Obama -- and this on Obama's identified 'good points'.

At a town hall event in Ohio last month, Rep. Paul Ryan was asked why supporters of Ron Paul — the iconoclastic congressman from Texas — should back this year’s Republican ticket.

Appearing offended by the implication, Ryan scolded: “Do you want Barack Obama to be reelected?” Paul is a actually “friend,” he claimed, and the two are in agreement on key issues.

Baloney. Paul is one of only three GOP House members to not endorse Mitt Romney — and there are several reasons for this.

Leave aside that Paul is a man of deep principle, while Romney appears to have never held a sincere belief in his life. More important are their governing visions, which stand in profound conflict.

Paul was moved to run in the 2008 Republican primary largely out of his disgust with President George W. Bush’s foreign policy. You may recall the preemptive invasion of Iraq?

America’s misadventures abroad, Paul posited, have engendered “blowback” (i.e., anti-American resentment) around the world. This, in turn, has put our security at risk.

His rivals for the nomination were predictably outraged by the suggestion. A bitter Rudy Giuliani recently told me that Paul was intent on “blaming America” for the 9/11 attacks.

Those inclined toward Giuliani’s hardline way of thinking constitute the lion’s share of Romney advisers. Liz Cheney takes part in weekly conference calls with the campaign; former Bush officials and consummate warhawks like John Bolton and Dan Senor are major players.

By voting for Romney, then, Paul supporters would be voting for a return to the same neoconservative philosophy that mired us in the Iraq disaster, costing countless lives and dollars.

President Obama may have authorized a drone war and escalated ground troops in Afghanistan, but at least he has avoided launching another full-scale invasion.

This is not a petty distinction. Romney routinely gives assurances that he’d be far more likely to appease Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu, who has designs to attack Iran — perhaps in the coming months. Paul’s passions seem to be most enlivened by his unflinching opposition to aggressive war; for him, this dark prospect would be a nonstarter.

But the unbridgeable divide between Paul and the GOP is not limited to foreign policy.


Read more: http://www.nydailynews.com/opinion/ron-paul-avoid-mitt-romney-article-1.1181097#ixzz28z4WZ0pT

 

[ILUVRP]

"By voting for Romney, then, Paul supporters would be voting for a return to the same neoconservative philosophy that mired us in the Iraq disaster, costing countless lives and dollars".

to me this is the biggest reason not to vote for romryan , even during the debate last night ryan said america should have sent more troops to eastern afgh , biden said we have trained hundards of thousands afgh troops and why should we send american gi's to get killed when afgh has their own troops to send.

i agree with biden on this one, neo's love to send someone else to get killed for nothing , i am sick of chicken-hawks

let me add , much is being said about biden sneering and grining , if someone was pi$$ing on my head and saying its rain i would be sneering and grining also.

 

[sailingaway]

"By voting for Romney, then, Paul supporters would be voting for a return to the same neoconservative philosophy that mired us in the Iraq disaster, costing countless lives and dollars".

to me this is the biggest reason not to vote for romryan , even during the debate last night ryan said america should have sent more troops to eastern afgh , biden said we have trained hundards of thousands afgh troops and why should we send american gi's to get killed when afgh has their own troops to send.

i agree with biden on this one, neo's love to send someone else to get killed for nothing , i am sick of chicken-hawks.

Aren't we all. But his plug for Obama had to dance around drones and escallation and completely ignored Libya and now Jordan/Syria.

 

[LibertyEagle]

I still have a visceral reaction when I hear "Guiliani" and "911" in the same sentence.

 

[VBRonPaulFan]

I understand the strategy for wanting Obama to win, because it puts in place a better chance for success in 2016 - but I wouldn't be able to live with myself if I voted for Obama (or Romney).

 

[John F Kennedy III]

I still have a visceral reaction when I hear "Guiliani" and "911" in the same sentence.

But Guiliani was there on 9/11. Doesn't that automatically make him a hero?

 

[acptulsa]

Aren't we all. But his plug for Obama had to dance around drones and escallation and completely ignored Libya and now Jordan/Syria.

Amazing how much dancing the media does around the little fact that there's no difference between them at all.

techie, the best way in my opinion to handle the Tonys of the world is to concede their point and support it. Most particularly because this tickles the audience to this debate and wins them over to your side. This is important because Tony is most likely incorrigible--and if he isn't, he sure isn't going to convert to reason until after he stops getting rewarded for supporting bull.

So...:

You're right, Tony. They are different. For example, Romney promotes war openly. Obama promotes peace openly on the campaign trail, then flip flops once he's in office. That is quite a difference. Meanwhile, Obama promotes forced health care openly. Romney speaks out against forced health care openly on the campaign trail, then flip flops once he's in office. Romney openly supports corporations, and uses Bain to save companies like Monsanto. Obama speaks out against corporations on the campaign trail, then appoints an ex-Monsanto CEO as his Secretary of Agriculture. Obama supports big government programs, no matter how corrupt and incompetent they are. Romney condemns big, corrupt government projects on the campaign trail, then conducts projects like Boston's Big Dig and its deadly falling ceiling tiles.

You could go on and on with this, given a little research. But this should be enough by itself to swing the momentum your way. Give him hell!

 

[jbauer]

If GJ wasn't on the ballot in TN I would seriously consider voting for Obama over Rmoney at this point.....as sick and disgusting as that is to say.

 

[Elwar]

In all reality, as an employee of the lucrative military industrial complex, a vote for Mitt Romney is a vote for smooth sailing and big paychecks under an ever expanding military.

But that would be at the cost of an end to the country I was raised in.

Even being in Florida where the election could come down to a few hanging Chad's, I could never bring myself to vote for Obama.

I will never vote for evil, even if it were the deciding vote between a lesser and a better evil.

There is nothing like the feeling of walking out of the voting booth proud of who you voted FOR, as opposed to being hopeful that the person you voted against will not win.

And even though my write-in vote is not counted and I have spoken to and have spoken to Gov. Johnson through e-mail and could viably see myself voting FOR him, I am still writing in Ron Paul. Not for it to count, or be tallied, or to send a message or for any of that. But for me. And that good feeling walking out of the polls proud of my vote.

 

[FreedomProsperityPeace]

The idea of voting for Obama is ludicrous. As bad as Romney and Ryan are, they at least pay lip service to some of our principles (I'd never vote for them, either. I'm just sayin'. ). Obama is completely opposed to us on everything. I'm sitting here trying to think of an issue where Dr. Paul and the president are in agreement, and I can't come up with one.

 

[Rudeman]

No thanks. I'll stick with voting for neither.

 

[CaptUSA]

They just don't get it.

 

[fr33]

I tweeted this link earlier today without fully reading it. At first skim I didn't realize he was advocating for Obama. Although I hope Obama wins (just so we have 2016) I wouldn't have promoted it.

 

[coastie]

IT DOESN'T MATTER WHO WINS IT WILL BE MORE OF THE SAME.

FFS Already!

 

[WesSeid]

And even though my write-in vote is not counted and I have spoken to and have spoken to Gov. Johnson through e-mail and could viably see myself voting FOR him, I am still writing in Ron Paul. Not for it to count, or be tallied, or to send a message or for any of that. But for me. And that good feeling walking out of the polls proud of my vote.

Make your vote count for more than just personal (selfish?) reasons. If you want to feel good after voting, eat some ice cream.

 

[fr33]

IT DOESN'T MATTER WHO WINS IT WILL BE MORE OF THE SAME.

FFS Already!

yeah but it's 4 years vs 8 years. That matters IMO.

 

[sailingaway]

Make your vote count for more than just personal (selfish?) reasons. If you want to feel good after voting, eat some ice cream.

quit trying to argue people in Ron Paul's forum out of voting for Ron Paul. You can do that in 2012 Presidential section, but not here.

This forum exists for supporting Ron Paul.

attacking people who want to vote for Ron as SELFISH for wanting to cast their vote for the candidate they like best, is not OK.

 

[Matt McGuire]

Obama is completely opposed to us on everything. I'm sitting here trying to think of an issue where Dr. Paul and the president are in agreement, and I can't come up with one.

You are completely right. Although candidate Obama from 2007/2008 had some great rhetoric on a few things, such as the Patriot act and the war. But, as usual, he became part of the system once he was elected.

 

[WesSeid]

attacking people who want to vote for Ron as SELFISH for wanting to cast their vote for the candidate they like best, is not OK.

It's not that he's voting for Ron. It's that he said his vote won't even be counted. It's hard to have your vote promote Ron Paul-type values and liberty, or even Ron Paul himself, when it doesn't count.

But, ok. I'll go to the 2012 Presidential section and argue everyone should vote for Batman, because it will feel good.

 

[sailingaway]

It is your candidate's obligation to win votes, not a voter's obligation to vote other than with conviction.