They found Arvin!

[tangent4ronpaul]

I'll wait a good month before I reach any conclusions; the arsenic bacteria claim turned out to be extreme hype and not, at all, what was originally described---if anything, this is coming off, to me, as just more hype to get extra funding.

Stuff like this pops up in the scientific journals all the time. Occasionally, something gets picked up by a science writer and the damn thing goes viral. Most articles like this are never noticed and written about in the MSM. What's different about this one is the amount of pre-vetting it's getting. No ones been able to explain the unusual results they found.

I seriously doubt it's about funding. They already have their labs and equip. There is no huge rush to retrieve and cut open asteroids. The telescopes to study the planets have already been built and put into space - so funding for what?

 

[tangent4ronpaul]

Was the arsenic bacteria paper run through any peer-reviewing? I'm just wondering.

It got published in Science, so yes - it passed a panel of peer reviewers. They are pretty picky about what they publish.

 

[Petar]

That can happen. Refusing to accept the conclusion of an argument sometimes can cause a person to treat the steps that lead to it disingenuously.

You're lucky that I am more in the mood to just be an asshole, VS debating logically...

 

[erowe1]

I meant high as in I was countering your claim where you said "sounds high to me". Trillions of planets is a massive amount, and that is just in our galaxy. As I said, in visible space alone there are 50+ billion galaxies, each with trillions of planets themselves.

I know. And I was agreeing. When I first said that, I noted that I wasn't sure.

But even at 10^22 planets, that's still such a tiny number in comparison to the unlikelihood of any being able to sustain life that it's statistically impossible for a life sustaining planet (including ours) to exist.

The reason so many people feel so certain that there must be life elsewhere out there is because they accept as an axiom that life came about here by natural causes, requiring nothing other than chance, time, and the matter and energy that comprise the universe together with their natural physical properties. Given that axiom, it's hard to believe that it only happened once. But the axiom itself is based on religion, not science.

 

[pcosmar]

SO What ??
A insignificant organism was found on a space rock?

It changes nothing. It proves little other than life is possible elsewhere. well duh!

Much ado about nothing.

 

[erowe1]

It proves little other than life is possible elsewhere. well duh!

When all is said and done, and nobody is paying attention to the story any more, those who do will learn that it doesn't prove that. We've been through this all before, and that's always how it turns out.

 

[Dr.3D]

As I said before, how do they even know the rock was from space? It could very well have been from earth.

 

[erowe1]

As I said before, how do they even know the rock was from space? It could very well have been from earth.

Hugh Ross predicted in 1988 that exactly such a discovery would be made eventually.
http://www.reasons.org/life-mars

 

[angelatc]

Arvin ?


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marvin_the_Martian

It's his lesser known cousin - Arvin the Artian. He's got a paintball gun.

 

[pcosmar]

Hugh Ross predicted in 1988 that exactly such a discovery would be made eventually.
http://www.reasons.org/life-mars

I suspected this was the purpose of this.

It is not a matter of if, but a matter of when, the remains of life will be discovered on Mars. Will such a discovery shake the foundations of Christian faith?

Why should it? Why would it?
It is not in the slightest bit relevant.
Nor is the prior creation on this planet relevant. (we are not the first)

 

[Dr.3D]

Hugh Ross predicted in 1988 that exactly such a discovery would be made eventually.
http://www.reasons.org/life-mars

That article doesn't prove that rock came from Mars or any place other than possibly earth. It did say some rocks from earth may end up in space and I would have to believe those same rocks may have fallen back to earth and people may believe they are from mars or some other planet. They very well may be from earth in the first place.

 

[pcosmar]

They very well may be from earth in the first place.

Also possible. But still ,,,
how is it relevant ?

 

[Fox McCloud]

I'd like to point out this is the organism in question, on the right, not the one in the OP:

And that's another problem, IMHO---if it's too similar to some of our own bacteria, then it's very likely it came from the earth itself and merely escaped from the atmosphere at an earlier date/time.

 

[erowe1]

That article doesn't prove that rock came from Mars or any place other than possibly earth. It did say some rocks from earth may end up in space and I would have to believe those same rocks may have fallen back to earth and people may believe they are from mars or some other planet. They very well may be from earth in the first place.

All I said was that he predicted it would happen eventually. I didn't say he claimed it had happened yet. At any rate, it supports your theory.

 

[Dr.3D]

Also possible. But still ,,,
how is it relevant ?

Relevant to what? That life from earth can be found in rocks from earth that have fallen from the sky?

 

[pcosmar]

Relevant to what? That life from earth can be found in rocks from earth that have fallen from the sky?

to,
Life, the Universe, and Everything.

 

[Fox McCloud]

interesting...this certainly puts me well within the skeptical side of things now:

http://www.panspermia.org/hoover2.htm
http://spie.org/x648.html?product_id=742284

This guy has been making the same claims since at least 2004, so this is hardly a "new" discovery, and definitely not a Fox News exclusive.

Considering this hasn't caught on in the scientific community (and that he originally published his original paper in a rather obscure journal), the genuineness of his findings (or accuracy) seems a bit dubious, at this point.

 

[Dr.3D]

to,
Life, the Universe, and Everything.

It isn't relevant to anything but the fact rocks thrown out of the atmosphere can fall back to earth and be found to contain what was on earth to begin with.

 

[eproxy100]

Check out the ultra deep field picture taken by the hubble:

Guess what each of those dots are? They're galaxies. That picture covers only ~1/13000000 of the sky that we see and it was taken on the darkest part of the sky that we thought there was nothing to see. There are about 10000 galaxies there in that small portion of the sky alone. Each of those galaxies can contain upto trillions of stars EACH.

Amino acids formed from basic molecules by electricity is a scientific fact - the results are repeatable.

 

[Fox McCloud]

http://cosmiclog.msnbc.msn.com/_new...fe-in-meteorites-study-stirs-debate?GT1=43001

this is very interesting---the more skeptical side will be presented soon, and it doesn't seem positive for Hoover.