They are REALLLY Hammering Christianity now...another.

This thread is sacred and blessed.

I shall sully it no further.

No one said that. But, you might actually want to read it, before drawing conclusions. Because thus far, you have totally misconstrued what has been posted.

Or, did you see the name of this thread and think you could just drop by and make a few little quick hit-and-run insults against Christians?
 
No one said that. But, you might actually want to read it, before drawing conclusions. Because thus far, you have totally misconstrued what has been posted.

Amazing.

I come upon yet another "They are bashing the Christians" thread, DO NOT read 11 pages of "you can either worship God or the state, but you must worship something" and figure "Ah ha! This is a good thread to post that Christian Disposal pic I found the other day" and now there is about a page of posts of people being O SO offended. It's just beyond the pale and in such bad taste. I mean, you'd think I called you all chimps or insulted Mohammed.
 
Kraig, don't you realize that getting rid of religion is one of the last steps in a tyranny? That way, the State is elevated as the supreme being. You may think that you don't care, but you should. You don't need to have faith to care. Our Founders clearly believed that our rights came from God (our Creator); they were not bestowed upon us by government. Our rights are not granted by government; we own them because our Creator gave them to each of us when we were born. The reason this is so important is because if you believe that government grants rights, then you will easily go along with them taking them away. This one thing is the single most important difference between the U.S. Constitution and the U.N. Charter.

Go back and review MsDoodah's posts in this thread. She said it well.

I would disagree, if the is ABLE to get rid of religion then tyranny has been 100% accomplished, so I would say it is not the last step.

My belief system is that rights do not come from the god OR the state, how many times can I say that?

I did read msdoodahs post and I found it irrelevant, I am not a rabid atheist in that I do not hate christians and I do not hate god.

I do not support the state trying to remove religion because I do not support the state at all.

In that regard and in this day and age, we are friends, not enemies, because we both want the state to have so much less power than it currently does.
 
It is what you implied LE. If we have misunderstood you, then please clarify.

Well, I'm trying to figure out why you think that. What I was talking about was the founding of our country. Regardless of whether you want a constitutional government, or no government at all, it still doesn't change the fact that the Founding Fathers existed and wrote the Constitution.

It also doesn't change the fact that getting rid of religion is one of the final steps in tyranny. The fact that you don't *want* a government, doesn't change this fact either. Heck, I don't want a tyrannical government either. If merely not wanting it was enough to get rid of it, I think we would've been out of this mess a long time ago.

What am I missing? :confused:
 
Amazing.

I come upon yet another "They are bashing the Christians" thread, DO NOT read 11 pages of "you can either worship God or the state, but you must worship something" and figure "Ah ha! This is a good thread to post that Christian Disposal pic I found the other day" and now there is about a page of posts of people being O SO offended. It's just beyond the pale and in such bad taste. I mean, you'd think I called you all chimps or insulted Mohammed.

Let me clear it up for you. There was a constructive dialogue occuring when you disrupted it. And you continue to disrupt it further dividing both sides rendering intellectual growth impossible.

Stop.
 
I would disagree, if the is ABLE to get rid of religion then tyranny has been 100% accomplished, so I would say it is not the last step.

My belief system is that rights do not come from the god OR the state, how many times can I say that?

I did read msdoodahs post and I found it irrelevant, I am not a rabid atheist in that I do not hate christians and I do not hate god.

I do not support the state trying to remove religion because I do not support the state at all.

In that regard and in this day and age, we are friends, not enemies, because we both want the state to have so much less power than it currently does.

I think you're splitting hairs, but ok. I don't care if you think your rights were bestowed on you by the tree stump on your property. The important thing is that YOU OWN THEM yourself. They were NOT granted by government and since they were not, government (or anyone) should not be able to take them away.

Note: And yes, I hear you that you don't want a government at all. That still doesn't change the fact that we do have one right now and we darn sure don't want to further enable them to restrict our liberty. That's all I'm saying. One final thing. In addition to us being concerned about our own government, we also need to be concerned with world government. Because as bad as ours had become, world government would only be worse and I firmly believe that is where they are taking us. And NO, this does not mean that I support the POS traitors that have overtaken our government and who have completely ignored our Constitution.

Better? :)
 
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CHANGE THE WORDS, CHANGE THE WORLD



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February 26, 2009
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"A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within. An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and carries his banner openly. But the traitor moves amongst those within the gate freely, his sly whispers rustling through all the alleys, heard in the very halls of government itself.

For the traitor appears not a traitor; he speaks in accents familiar to his victims, and he wears their face and their arguments, he appeals to the baseness that lies deep in the hearts of all men. He rots the soul of a nation, he works secretly and unknown in the night to undermine the pillars of the city, he infects the body politic so that it can no longer resist. A murderer is less to fear." -- Cicero (106-43 BC)

A coup has taken place in America. Our nation is no longer controlled by “the people.” Our domestic enemies are now officially in power. We are no longer free, we just think we are -- and it has happened on our watch.

What we have failed to realize is that the Spiritual War and the Cultural War were one and the same. Because of our ignorance, the Church has engaged in the former but has ignored the latter. We did not understand that the “war in the heavenlies” manifests in the world. Our failure to fight for Truth has given us a nation ruled by liars.

We are a sin-laden nation because we have codified evil into the law. Content to focus on the “saving of souls” we have neglected Jesus’ admonition to occupy until He comes. As evil flourished, the Church retreated. We have failed to recognize that the battle in the heavenlies was for control of the earth. Jesus prayed that His Kingdom would come ON EARTH. We have yielded the earth and submitted to evil.

Cicero was right. Evil did not come dressed up in a red suit and carrying a pitchfork. It has come clothed in a three-piece suit and brandishing an Ivy League degree. While we looked for an army riding tanks and planes, we have been over run by a force promoting education and arts. Using guns and bullets would have been too obvious. This war has been fought and won with words. Language was their weapon of mass destruction.

Paul warned us of this in Colossians 2:8 “Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ.”

They called it multi-culturalism and it was promoted in our schools, but the formal name is Cultural Marxism. It gave birth to “political correctness” where thoughts became crimes. But it did not happen by accident. The only thing standing between Communism and world dominance was Western Civilization and its underpinnings of the Christian value system. The only way Communism could advance would be if Christianity could be rendered powerless; or, as Jesus said, if the salt was to lose his savor.

Do you remember the cries of the hippies? “Hey Hey, Ho Ho, Western Civ has got to go.” It was the fight song of Communism. The only thing preventing government from being god was the fact that the throne was already occupied. Twentieth century American’s believed that Jesus was God. The followers of Marx and his acolytes knew that in order to ascend to the throne they would have to overthrow God. They would advance gradually. “Make haste slowly” was their mantra and they would be patient.

They seized our public schools and infiltrated the universities. They captured the media, Hollywood, music, art, literature, science, history, civic organizations, and the seminaries. They changed the world by changing they way we thought about words; tolerance, social justice, economic justice, peace, reproductive rights, sex education and safe sex, safe schools, inclusion, diversity, and sensitivity were their linguistic weapons. (Is it just me or are those words permeating all of society today?) Do you think this happened by accident?


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They would use our children to impeach God. Applying Critical Theory they would attack all things Christian. The Boy Scouts were bigots, the Ten Commandments were judgmental, Christmas was exclusive, and traditional marriage was discriminatory. They brainwashed us to think that real Christians were inclusive and tolerant, that truth was relative, that all cultures were the same and that homosexuality was not a sin.

They didn’t have to kill Jesus, only His influence. To be considered a good citizen in this new America, one only had to be tolerant of everything and believe in nothing. In fact, to be sure that you kept your thoughts to yourself they began to call certain thoughts “crimes.” They attacked you and even destroyed you if you dared to speak against them. Slowly, the voice of Jesus was muted.

Into the void the god-haters slinked. A different Christianity and a different America emerged. The God of judgment and wrath was dead and a resurrected “non-judgmental” Jesus became the new god that the new America embraced.

"Democracy is the road to socialism." said Karl Marx. "Democracy is indispensable to socialism," said his buddy Vladimir Lenin. “Give us the child for eight years and it will be a Bolshevik forever. Give me four years to teach the children and the seed I have sown will never be uprooted. A lie told often enough becomes the truth," Lenin went on to say.

Elected officials call America a democracy. Our school books teach the same. Yet we are not a democracy. We are a Constitutional Republic, a nation of limited government chained down by a Constitution. Kill the Constitution and the Marxists can create or ignore the law. Change the words, change the world.

Communism can only thrive in the absence of the Gospel. Where the Spirit of the Lord is there is Liberty. Lady Liberty has been nearly decapitated.

But the battle is far from over. Each one of us is going to have to make a decision on just how valuable we think liberty is. Are you willing to sit silently as the chains of slavery are forged for your children? Ben Franklin warned us, “Anyone who trades liberty for security deserves neither liberty nor security.” We should heed his words.

Washington DC is rapidly becoming the enemy. It is the terrorists with Ivy League degrees that should scare us. The ideological wars are really a religious war. Intellectual terrorism has reaped more havoc on this land than Al Qaeda ever will. Will the God of the Bible and the Principles that He declares rule on earth? Or will we give in to the “tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world.” Our generation will make the decision.

Marxists are in control of America. They are not liberals, they are not progressives, they are Communists. Their godless system has failed every place it has been tried. America is their beachhead. Will she be overthrown? Will Jesus lose this Spiritual battle? Will He yield the world once again to the Devil? I think not. “For the earth is the Lord's, and the fulness thereof.” We are His ambassadors on the earth. It is time to do our duty.



So here is a good place to start. Let’s take back our language. Stop allowing the cultural Marxists to create new labels. We must call things what they are.

• “Progressives” and “liberals” are Marxists.
• “Conservativism” is counterfeit salt.
• “Pro-choice” means pro-baby murder.
• A “fetus” is an unborn child.
• “Tolerance” means acceptance of sin.
• “Gays” are sodomites.
• “Affirmative Action” is white male discrimination.
• An “undocumented worker” is an illegal alien.
• The “mainstream media” are Marxists.
• The “religious left” are humanistic socialists.
• “Social justice” means advancement of homosexuality.
• “Reproductive rights” is a buzz word for abortion.
• “Sex education” is destruction of natural childhood modesty.
• “Economic justice” is welfare.
• “Government investment” means taxation.
• “Sensitivity” means keep your mouth shut.
• “Diversity” validates deviant ways to engage in sex.
• A “Republican” is a socialist and a “Democrat” is a communist.
• An “expert” is an academician with no practical experience.
• “Public education” is atheistic, humanistic indoctrination.
• “Separation of church and state” legalizes Christian discrimination.
• Supreme Court “decisions” are opinions and are not laws.
• “Christianity” is not a religion; it is a kingdom.
• “Change” means Communism.
America can be saved if Americans will wake up. Look at this list of self-proclaimed socialists in Congress. They have seized the Republic.



Stop using their words. Words have power. Let’s call a Marxist a Marxist. Stand up and speak up. Our kids are depending on us. Otherwise, See you at the Gulag.

(This radio program explains it all. It is worth a listen.)

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Well, I'm trying to figure out why you think that. What I was talking about was the founding of our country. Regardless of whether you want a constitutional government, or no government at all, it still doesn't change the fact that the Founding Fathers existed and wrote the Constitution.

It also doesn't change the fact that getting rid of religion is one of the final steps in tyranny. The fact that you don't *want* a government, doesn't change this fact either. Heck, I don't want a tyrannical government either. If merely not wanting it was enough to get rid of it, I think we would've been out of this mess a long time ago.

What am I missing? :confused:

I think the confusion lies in the understanding of wiping out religion as a "final step toward tyranny".


re⋅li⋅gion   /rɪˈlɪdʒən/ Show Spelled Pronunciation [ri-lij-uhn] Show IPA
–noun 1. a set of beliefs concerning the cause, nature, and purpose of the universe, esp. when considered as the creation of a superhuman agency or agencies, usually involving devotional and ritual observances, and often containing a moral code governing the conduct of human affairs.
2. a specific fundamental set of beliefs and practices generally agreed upon by a number of persons or sects: the Christian religion; the Buddhist religion.
3. the body of persons adhering to a particular set of beliefs and practices: a world council of religions.
4. the life or state of a monk, nun, etc.: to enter religion.
5. the practice of religious beliefs; ritual observance of faith.
6. something one believes in and follows devotedly; a point or matter of ethics or conscience: to make a religion of fighting prejudice.
7. religions, Archaic. religious rites.
8. Archaic. strict faithfulness; devotion: a religion to one's vow.

—Idiom9. get religion, Informal. a. to acquire a deep conviction of the validity of religious beliefs and practices.
b. to resolve to mend one's errant ways: The company got religion and stopped making dangerous products.

I've bolded some definitions that I think apply to a religion of Statism. The State can be a dictatorship or a republic. Granted I think everyone here would rather live in a republic if they had to choose. Maybe what you are missing is that a religion based around an all powerful deity is interchangeable with a religion based around the ideas of political union (tyrannical or republican). And that the only way to freedom is to be free of the desire to be told how to live.

Ironically, the U.S. bases it's whole ideology on the idea of personal freedom and responsibility, but at the same time, and in little bits takes away both. I'm talking about the way the country was founded, not the way it is. Humankind still hasn't solved all of its problems yet, which I think is why a little bit of government can be beneficial.

You say a final step to tyranny is the removal religion, but it is really the replacement of spiritual (maybe) religion with secular religion. It's still religion. Therefore, truly getting rid of religion leaves the state without any mechanism to control your mind. Religion is the state. It just changes forms and gives you something (usually eternity) to fight over.

This is why true atheism (the kind with a total lack of belief structure) is so detrimental to the state. I mentioned in another thread that this "new" socialism that is rising in this country is not fueled by godlessness, but by the religion of socialism itself. Socialism on the rise has nothing to do with the belief in a God or not.
 
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• The “religious left” are humanistic socialists.

Oh good, he mentioned this. This is one thing I firmly think that Christians need to understand. Some Christians are leftists and are our enemies. At least, they are mine.
 
O yeah. Everyone on this board is very sensitive and thin skinned. I really need to watch what I say around here. :rolleyes:

I wasn't commenting on everyone on these boards. I was just stating my opinion. That is why I said "To me".

To me that image was saying Christians are dead and in a trash bin. I consider that along the same lines as Theo saying gays should be killed.

Listen, I think irreverent humor has its place. Perhaps you are the court jester. More power to you. Maybe, we all need more. Or less. Who knows?
 
Bingo! Welcome to 'Psyops 101'. :mad:

Brooklyn, I agree. However, to not try to see through the divisions which separate us and simply say yea, we are one, is not realistic. We all want freedom. If Christians believe that freedom is their power to push their agenda than that freedom agenda is not mine freedom agenda. If they wish to seek a middle ground then I am willing.
 
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