They are misleading you (more on Zeitgeist)

[Pistis]

Luciferianism is not the same thing as Satanism. Lucifer is Venus, the Morning Star, the light-bearer that brings wisdom to humanity. If they do use the term "Lucifer" in the name of their publishing company, then I'm sure it's for symbolic purposes.

No offense intended, but you're either ignorant or wilfully misrepresenting the truth. I really hope it's the former!

 

[DamianTV]

You know, it has been said that the greatest trick the DEVIL ever pulled was convincing people he doesn't exist.

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The greatest trick that false prophets ever pulled was convincing people that some form of both God and Devil DO exist.

(no offense)

 

[hazek]

And back to the existence of God/Devil question: what sort of person isn't at least curious about the possibility of an eternal afterlife. This to me would seem to be the most important question of all! Showing lack of curiousity about this question, not taking the time to ask questions or investigate or even ridiculing the possiblity verges on foolishness.

Ah yes asking question is all fine and dandy! But what you can't forget is that there are no answer to them! No one knows if there is a god or a devil and if you think someone does, you are no better then a 5 year old who beliefs in Santa because his parent's told him so.

 

[DamianTV]

Since no one can flat out prove or disprove the existence either way, it is a waste of time. However, there exists true evil and true good in the world that we know does exist. And it lies in the hearts of men.

 

[TheeJoeGlass]

 

[jmdrake]

It could be its own thread, but the point is that the label thats being applied is one attempt and one perspective to destroy the guys credibility.

Hello DamianTV. The label in this case is one that is self applied. Some of the people being held up as leaders you should follow by the ZG movie are admitted Satanists. Does that in itself make them not credible? No. The facts make them non credible. Who they are simply explains why they gave those non credible facts. In other threads I have shown clearly how the claims in ZG part 1 are not backed up by the ancient literary religious evidence. (Not just the Christian record, but the record of all of the religions ZG tries to compare Christianity to).

You, Hazek and others are missing the point. Imagine for instance if these had been admitted neocons? Or perhaps admitted Zionists? Or admitted socialists? Or think of any other label that is in general more acceptable than the label "Satanist"? Would you be so dismissive of the point? The fact is that every group has an agenda, whether that group is Satanist, Christian, socialist, libertarian, or whatever. Maybe you agree with that agenda. Fine. But some of us have been concerned about the Luciferian agenda, not simply because of the word "Luciferian", but because we've followed this group enough to know that they are globalists seeking to create a one world government. Did you not read the link I provided showing that the Lucis trust is linked up to the United Nations? Do you support the United Nations? I do not. Neither do I support some group seeking to control and "manage" all of the worlds resources, even though the "claim" they only want to do that "voluntarily". (Anybody with any common sense knows that the only way all of the world's resources could be controlled is through coercion because you will always find at least one person who will not go along with the program).

Dannno, Travlr, Doc 3d, paulitics, Pistis, thanks for understanding what I'm saying. Dannno, I especially appreciate your understanding because you and I have disagreed on this subject. Paulitics, I read what you wrote before you edited it, and it was really good. I'm looking forward to the blog.

Sevin: I might not have been clear enough. I'm not saying there is a direct connection between ZG and the Lucis trust. There very well may be, but I don't have direct evidence. I'm saying there is an inspirational connection. And that connection is proven by the films themselves.

EndDaFed: I've already attacked the "ideas" in the film multiple times. The video I posted is of someone else attacking the ideas. But I have to ask, why do "fundamentalist Christians" offend you so much? Are you offended when Ron Paul comes off talking like a fundamentalist Christian when he talks about his "just war theory"?