They are about to turn on the super-particle collider, CERN - quest for the god atom?

torchbearer said:
If we can disassemble atoms, perhaps we can learn to put them together? as in, take hyrdrogen, break it down into its 'god atoms/stem cells' and reassemble oxygen atoms?
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I really hope this works. I'll be turning all my worthless junk into GOLD... :D

...which will make gold worthless junk.
 
if we can detect the temp of empty space as above kelvin temperatures, the mass must be present in some energetic form.
If we knew the content of that material, we may be able to harvest it on long journeys between stars.
Always thinking ahead... (in truth, i really wanted to work for NASA, but i fear I do not meet their standards, my math and science brain has been well intergrated into my art and english side of my brain... my output may not be to their liking.)
Its like fiction being the artistic part of the brain.
Its like non-fiction being the science/math part of the brain
And creative non-fiction is a combination of both, but excels to the extreme in neither.

I'm a creative non-fiction kinda guy... guess that's what drew me to sociology.
You think we don't know much about the universe?
Try looking at what we really know about ourselves....
 
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malkusm said:
I really hope this works. I'll be turning all my worthless junk into GOLD... :D

...which will make gold worthless junk.
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You may want to use the gold you make, to buy off the politicians so you can get them to give you the sole franchise on making and destroying gold... and then you can force everyone to use your unlimited supply of gold and use it to acquire everyone's real assets... a few dozen middle class families at a time.
 
torchbearer said:
if we can detect the temp of empty space as above kelvin temperatures, the mass must be present in some energetic form.
If we knew the content of that material, we may be able to harvest it on long journeys between stars.
Always thinking ahead... (in truth, i really wanted to work for NASA, but i fear I do not meet their standards, my math and science brain has been well intergrated into my art and english side of my brain... my output may not be to their liking.)
Its like fiction being the artistic part of the brain.
Its like non-fiction being the science/math part of the brain
And creative non-fiction is a combination of both, but excels to the extreme in neither.

I'm a creative non-fiction kinda guy... guess that's what drew me to sociology.
You think we don't know much about the universe?
Try looking at what we really know about ourselves....
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Have a quick scan of another interesting theoretical state: a vacuum--http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vacuum
 
amy31416 said:
Have a quick scan of another interesting theoretical state: a vacuum--http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vacuum
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i've heard, that on earth, its impossible to make a perfect vacuum.
its just the density of mass per square inch is so small, it is undetectable by our instruments... unless you try to remove all mass out of a very small space...then it may be possible.
 
torchbearer said:
i've heard, that on earth, its impossible to make a perfect vacuum.
its just the density of mass per square inch is so small, it is undetectable by our instruments... unless you try to remove all mass out of a very small space...then it may be possible.
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Impossible in space also so far as we know.

It's kinda nifty how we have all these concepts and a "perfect" state is never attainable in almost anything.
 
amy31416 said:
Impossible in space also so far as we know.

It's kinda nifty how we have all these concepts and a "perfect" state is never attainable in almost anything.
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so- that brings us back to the collider. What give atoms mass... how does matter come into being? what is the properties of the pre-matter? How do we use it/manipulate it?
 
torchbearer said:
so- that brings us back to the collider. What give atoms mass... how does matter come into being? what is the properties of the pre-matter? How do we use it/manipulate it?
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Ya got me. If we find Higgs-Boson, it may provide some insight into some of those things.
 
amy31416 said:
Absolute zero is, obviously, zero K which is the absolute suspension of all atomic motion (and believed to be impossible to achieve, though we've been tenths of a degree off.)
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Actually, absolute zero has been more closely approached than that.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coldest_temperature_recorded_on_Earth

Lower temperatures have been achieved artificially, including a record cold temperature of 450 pK, or 4.5 × 10-10 K at MIT in 2003.
As for how they measure the temperature, it's got to be either resistance via two-metal thermocouples or somehow they simply measure the atomic movement of the liquid helium, possibly via soundwaves?
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I think you are thinking of a thermistor, which would create heat from current flow so measuring these really low temperatures would be out of the question. Most of the techniques to measure really really low temperatures usually include magnetism, but I couldn't tell you more than that.


Dr.3D said:
The question is, are they using helium for a refrigerant?
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Yes. This is a common refrigerant for these types of things. Problem is, we are running out of He on Earth and there really isn't any easy way to get more of it.
 
satchelmcqueen said:
ha um, you all lost me on the 4th post. so uhm...ron paul!
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The basic idea is that a bunch of over-educated folks in Europe are getting together to make a very tiny amount of matter go really, really fast and run it into a wall so it will break apart and they can look at the rubble. From this rubble, they hope to find out what makes that tiny amount of matter tick.

Kind of like not understanding how a car runs, and having to crash it into a wall in order to look at the engine and the various components.

It's nerd-porn.
 
Basically Europe is about to be way way ahead of the States in Science.

Three cheers for congress!
 
idiom said:
Basically Europe is about to be way way ahead of the States in Science.

Three cheers for congress!
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They are spending a lot of money on this lab. the possible results must be worth billions to put this thing together.
And I thought the LIGO labs were a bit over the top.
 
Have you seen the states on the networks and computers that accompany thing? It generates petabytes of data per second that has to be transfer around the world or something crazy.
 
amy31416 said:
As far as black holes being created--unlikely, but I can't think of a more fascinating way to go.
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Actually, my recollection was that if certain theories were correct, then black holes are to be expected. They suggest though that they will either dissipate or be so microscopic as to be harmless. Here's an article to that effect.
 
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