"There's no inflation."

In 1964 the minimum wage was $1.25/hr. (5) Silver Quarters. Today those (5) Silver Quarters are $3.50/ea. 5 x $3.50 = $17.50/hr.

That nut Sawant in WA should demand a min wage of $1.25/hr and then request the Fed Govt to start re-minting Silver Quarters. Unemployment in WA would PLUNGE, WEALTH/HAPPINESS would BOOM. If only the Federal Govt would have a sound monetary policy that is.
 
I can't believe there are actually RPF longtimers who are actually making the Fed's case that there is indeed no inflation.

Why don't you guys just come clean and admit you're working as paid chat forum trolls for the govt?
 
I can't believe there are actually RPF longtimers who are actually making the Fed's case that there is indeed no inflation.
Just because a group or person is diametrically opposed to you, or even evil, does not mean that everything they say is false. Even Satan tells the truth sometimes.

Why don't you guys just come clean and admit you're working as paid chat forum trolls for the govt?
Because I'm not.
 
They can control interest rates for awhile, but not forever. Eventually market forces will win in the end.

I don't see how the government can lower the price of gold, silver or oil. It seems to me they'd have to sell large quantities of those commodities and I doubt they have any. The only thing they have is a printer and the only thing printing will do is drive the price up.

They have partners on Wall St to help. How to change the price of metals? Naked shorts, for one. And then there is failure to deliver when delivery is demanded. How about leasing out a gold bar more than one time? Why can't they give Germany it's gold? Did they sell it?

Government is probably the number one vendor of gold and silver coins in the US.
 
Which CPI are you talking about? From your own BLS link there are multiple versions of "CPI" that can be presented based on whatever the argument to be supported is. Interesting that the BLS maintains an index that allegedly includes packaging and quality adjustments, yet the widely reported CPI (1%-3% right?) doesn't even include food and energy in the basket. So the CPI accounts for those changes but doesn't include the changes in the CPI? Huh?

Incorrect. Well for the most part. True, there are multiple CPIs. As has been pointed out numerous times, the CPI which is most commonly reported does include food and energy. "Core CPI" which is reported along with it leaves those two categories out. Unless it says "core", the CPI DOES include them. The broader measure is the most commonly used- not the core CPI.

If you're a Keynesian, yes, it means price inflation. If you're an Austrian, price increases are simply an effect of monetary inflation, not a separate measure of it.

Monetary inflation is not the same as price inflation. Prices can rise as a result of monetary inflation but don't necessarily rise the same. As you say, it is an effect- not the same measure. Prices can also rise and fall for other reasons like changes in supply or demand.
 
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As an Austrian, let me just say: this makes Austrians sound stupid. I disagree with your phrasing entirely.

That's fine since I never claimed to be an economist. The phrasing isn't what was important though. The word choices were. I'm resolving to not use the term 'price inflation' any more, only 'price increases'. A price increase is not inflation, it is an effect of inflation. Period. End of story. You are correct that using the proper phrasing and wording matters.

Look, if you try to tell any average person that price increases are only 1-3% per year then they will look at you like you've lost your mind.
 
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If you read the phrase "inflation" in a news report- what do you think of? Prices or money supply?
 
I'm resolving to not use the term 'price inflation' any more, only 'price increases'.
Fair enough.
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Look, if you try to tell any average person that price increases are only 1-3% per year then they will look at you like you've lost your mind.
Really?

I'm not so sure. Maybe I'll have to go find some average people to ask to test this out.
 
In my opinion, the economic statistics generated by government provide no genuine value - at least not in the economic arena. Rather, they have value only in the political arena. I believe their purpose is to manipulate the general public. It's generally understood, particularly among those active in these forums, that the various aggregates such as CPI and GDP are not generated in the same manner today as in the past. That is, their very definitions have continually shifted over the years. Now, assuming economics has any value at all as a science, then how can this state of affairs be acceptable to those who practice this "science"? It makes more sense to me to consider that the cart is leading the horse here. That is, the aggregates are not generated in an objective manner. If the underlying definitions and the data do not generate a favorable value, then it's easy enough to make the necessary changes.

There is a continual expansion of the currency and credit. Nobody can deny this with a straight face. The rate has been particularly high over the last 20 years or so. This will likely lead to price inflation. However, not in any predictable fashion. Personally, I don't consider price inflation to be the major concern. Rather, I consider a different effect. Currency expansion does change the price structure. That is, relative prices are affected. This effect is most important to recognize, and it's a shame that so many self-described "Austrians" fail to emphasize it. I've considered several metaphors that can help to describe how this process affects the economy (often called "malinvestment"). Imagine that a power plant is operated continually without a regular calibration of its indications (gages, meters, etc.) and without maintenance of its control circuits. Clearly, it will become increasingly difficult to operate the plant as systems will start to break down. The proper course of action is to shut down the plant and conduct repairs. If this is not done, then the only option is to patch things up in a shoddy manner as they break, and change the operating procedures to allow continued operation outside the original parameters (because indications are no longer accurate). Well, it should be clear that the systems will see problems of increasing frequency as they operate outside their specifications for an increasing duration. We can keep things going for a long while, but only until a major system fails catastrophically.

Consider another metaphor. A physicist conducts a lengthy experiment. Later he discovers that his measuring equipment was not properly calibrated. What is the proper course of action? The answer is to throw out the data, calibrate the gear, then start over. After all, the data has no value. The distortion of relative prices caused by currency expansion should be considered similarly. After all, prices are not arbitrary. Decisions are made based on these prices. Capital will be allocated along different lines as the changes are made, and the underlying structure of the economy will change. More important, the changes are cumulative over time. A power plant will fail in a short period under such conditions as described in the previous paragraph. An economy can continue to operate much longer because it's based not only on simple physics and engineering principles, but largely on the perceptions of the participants. Keeping it going requires increasingly less emphasis on economics, and more emphasis on politics.
 
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That is, relative prices are affected. This effect is most important to recognize, and it's a shame that so many self-described "Austrians" fail to emphasize it. I've considered several metaphors that can help to describe how this process affects the economy (often called "malinvestment").

That's true. That is the supremely bad thing about monetary inflation. It's all about the mal-investment. I did mention it (or at least allude to it) earlier:

Monetary inflation causes disastrous consequences. I believe that it is the cause of the business cycle which wastes so many mountains of resources every time it occurs.
 
That's fine since I never claimed to be an economist. The phrasing isn't what was important though. The word choices were. I'm resolving to not use the term 'price inflation' any more, only 'price increases'. A price increase is not inflation, it is an effect of inflation. Period. End of story. You are correct that using the proper phrasing and wording matters.

Look, if you try to tell any average person that price increases are only 1-3% per year then they will look at you like you've lost your mind.

Im rethinking this resolution. Dr Paul makes a good argument below why price and inflation can not be separated. If words matter then highlighting inflation as a common word, instead of not using it at all, is important to keeping correct definitions of words. The Fed would love nothing more than the word "inflation" to cease to exist. I make it a point to watch RP's vids occasionally to keep perspective.



Fair enough.
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Im rethinking this resolution.... The Fed would love nothing more than the word "inflation" to cease to exist....
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I'd love for the word inflation to come up and be talked about constantly. I'd love for the words "Federal Reserve" and "fiat money" to come up frequently, too. One of Ron Paul's great contributions was that he inserted these words into the national dialogue in a high-profile way.
 
Probably. Do you have a better explanation for the sudden huge drop off in workforce participation from what had remained steady for decades?

It's not like culture has suddenly gone back to the model of the dad working and the mom staying home to the degree that that was the case back when the workforce participation rate was last that low.

I don't understand how workforce participation is an important stat since it doesn't tell you if those "participating" have jobs, right? Country A could have a workforce participation of 50% with all 50% of them working. County B could have 100% workforce participation with only 10% of them working. Is country B better off?

Payroll to population, especially private payroll to population is the only one that makes sense to me. How many people are in the wagon and how many are pulling it? That's what I want to know.
 
especially private payroll to population
Excellent suggestion.

Just so, Robert Higgs has proposed the Gross Domestic Private Product as a statistic, to be a replacement for the Gross National Product. Rather than all government expenditures being added to the total, they are subtracted. You could call it a "Net" National Product of sorts as opposed to a Gross, but that term is already taken. Obviously, this would give a much more accurate and realistic picture of the economy. I wish this stat would catch on.
 
Bacon prices going up, packages shrinking:



And yeah, there's no inflation.
 
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