There is no way McCain can win

EndTheFed said:
What the hell are you talking about...

Explain to me how mccain geting elected this time keeps C$L from winning in 2012?
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List one successful presidential candidate that ran against the incumbent president in the same party.
 
torchbearer said:
List one successful presidential candidate that ran against the incumbent president in the same party.
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C4L does not have to run GOP.. I don't really think McCain would run again anyway... If you relly wanted to make a differnce if mc won you would work on palin to win her over completely... she is already open and likes RP
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EndTheFed said:
C4L does not have to run GOP.. I don't really think McCain would run again anyway... If you rellywantesd to make a differnce if mc wonn would be t continue to work on palin ti win her over completely... she is already open and likes RP
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To win a nomination takes an organization that spans all 50 states.
Currently the C4L is building an organization within the GOP. It would be impossible for them to win in the democratic party. They would be seen as outsiders, cause all the leaders are GOP, and they won't have a 50 state organization within the Democratic Party.
Palin sold out to sit chummy with the neocons. She would join our movement, only after we are in power... because that is what people like her do... follow the crumbs to power.
She has no principles or she wouldn't be holding McCain's hand.

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EndTheFed said:
C4L does not have to run GOP.. I don't really think McCain would run again anyway... If you relly wanted to make a differnce if mc won you would work on palin to win her over completely... she is already open and likes RP
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There is no one in the Democratic party that really shares Ron Pauls views. That's why there needs to be an Obama win so Gary Johnson or someone can run in 2012.
 
torchbearer said:
To win a nomination takes an organization that spans all 50 states.
Currently the C4L is building an organization within the GOP. It would be impossible for them to win in the democratic party. They would be seen as outsiders, cause all the leaders are GOP, and they won't have a 50 state organization within the Democratic Party.
Palin sold out to sit chummy with the neocons. She would join our movement, only after we are in power... because that is what people like her do... follow the crumbs to power.
She has no principles or she wouldn't be holding McCain's hand.

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I COMPLETELY disagree with your uninformed assessment of palin.
 
EndTheFed said:
I was talking about in this thread...
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And I was talking about Palin not having any principles and illustrated how you can prove such a thing by comparing her to Ron Paul.
One would not sacrifice principle to hold hands with McCain... the other one would.
 
torchbearer said:
And I was talking about Palin not having any principles and illustrated how you can prove such a thing by comparing her to Ron Paul.
One would not sacrifice principle to hold hands with McCain... the other one would.
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Makes absolutly no sense...
 
torchbearer said:
No- tones is a mccain voter, doesn't like to see anything that shows mccain losing.
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+1

He can't deal with reality.

McCain is losing for a lot of reasons, but I think his recent turn to "throwing shit against the wall" is the last straw. Every time he, Palin, or their surrogates yell "HUSSEIN HUSSEIN HUSSEIN" or "ayers" or "MUSLIM" or "arab" or "terrorist", they lose votes, because the American people see Obama as a decent family man, even if they don't agree with his politics- they see McCain's attacks for what they are- cheap shots from a desperate, angry old man who's got nothing left.

I hope tones doesn't have a gun at his house, because if he does, election day may not end well...
 
The best I can see for McCain is a 270-268 win, and that is pushing it. That would be the case if Virginia, New Mexico, and all the swing states but Colorado went into his camp. I suppose it is possible to get a McCain 304-234 McCain win, but that would include Pennsylvania voting GOP as well, and that isn't likely.
 
libertarian4321 said:
I have MENSA credentials, and then some.

I agree with the other guy.
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That was to tourch... so if you do then I would assume you would not have to stoop to say

"To someone who has the IQ of a rock."

I would assume you to be able to come up with a better argument then that.
 
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I'm still expecting this to turn out totally different than anyone thought, States wise...ultimately, I think Obama will win, but I think he'll lose a few States that he was otherwise expecting to get (ie: New Hampshire).

I don't think it'll be quite the "landslide" victory everyone thinks...as MSNBC pointed out, this is the "perfect storm" for pollsters...and even they are admitting their data might not be all that accurate or valuable this go around due to some unique factors.
 
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