There are no libertarian societies it has never worked

[BV2]

Hmmmm. Livy contends it was traditional value ie poverty, thrift, being excellent stabbers that allowed Rome to bloom.

 

[oyarde]

Hmmmm. Livy contends it was traditional value ie poverty, thrift, being excellent stabbers that allowed Rome to bloom.

They were just common pillagers .

 

[Ronin Truth]

Voting statists get to haul all of the baggage and responsibility for everything.

 

[helmuth_hubener]

Dating is libertarian in relatively free societies, people date whoever they want as long as they want to date them too and they don't date people they don't want to.

Friendships are libertarian.

We get to choose what kind of clothes we want to wear (although we do have to wear clothes..)

We get to choose what food we want to eat for the most part. The food industry isn't entirely libertarian, but ultimately we have a variety of food we can choose from.

A lot of life is libertarian and it works great and people are pretty happy with it. The question is why don't we make more life libertarian. Corruption in politics is mostly what takes away the other libertarian elements in life, such as earning money.

Exactly; +100 to dannno! All the best aspects of life, the stuff that works, is all libertarian.

All the stuff that's a horrible mess is anti-libertarian, based on aggression one way or another.

Seriously. Think about it.

The systems that work are libertarian. The more libertarian they are, the better they work.

And vise-versa. So which do we want more of in the world: the computer industry, or the DMV?

 

[ProIndividual]

"There are no societies that abolished chattel slavery, it has never worked."

Said some guy before humans finally woke up and did the right thing.

 

[ProIndividual]

That is kind of the question that it's hard to answer I would say before the federal reserve, we were fairly libertarian here

Not really. Minarchy is just as theoretical as anarchy, except stateless societies actually existed before the state, were fairly stable and secure, and had law, roads, trade, defense, etc., plus dominated most of human history, and invented law about 8,000 years before the state came along. Minarchy doesn't even have that kind of blueprint in history.

The "fairly libertarian" America before 1913 was steeped in tariffs, blacks had few rights, women had few rights, children had few rights, and a lot of that period non-land owners had few rights too. For all but white, male, adult (21 and over at the time), land-owners, that period of America was pretty damn authoritarian and large government. And that may be one the closest examples of minarchy people can find (there are a few others, and the better ones were usually much more short lived before becoming huge governments, even if in small countries).