The Zimmerman Trial

[KEEF]

My script blocker is blocking it and it doesn't block most videos posted on this forum.

No video for me either... just for the sake of saying it then... TUBE!!!!

 

[Antischism]

Interesting case. I don't really have a strong opinion either way at this point, I simply believe both were in the wrong in their own way, with the unfortunate outcome being a dead young man. Hopefully the trial will shed some light and make it a little clearer. I already know people have an agenda to push on both sides, so it's not very surprising to hear terrible arguments in favor of either side.

 

[rpfocus]

Interesting case. I don't really have a strong opinion either way at this point, I simply believe both were in the wrong in their own way, with the unfortunate outcome being a dead young man. Hopefully the trial will shed some light and make it a little clearer. I already know people have an agenda to push on both sides, so it's not very surprising to hear terrible arguments in favor of either side.

Well stated. I'm not bothering with this trial. It seems to simply further bigoted arguments in both directions. I have better things to do.

 

[Brian4Liberty]

I haven't watched any of the trial. He'll be found innocent. There will be some riots. The verdict timing will be perfect for riots. Riots are far more likely in the summer heat.

It will be a great distraction from real issues. The Ministry of Truth can turn on a dime, and the fury of the ignorant masses can be redirected at will.

 

[Zippyjuan]

Curious how a "self defense" theory will work when one person with a gun runs after another unarmed person who was simply walking down the street even after the people at 911 told him not to go after the person. Person with the gun was the one who felt "threatened"? And that fear was somehow eased by running after the other guy rather than staying away from them while the cops were on their way?

 

[kcchiefs6465]

He'll be found guilty of the lesser charge of voluntary manslaughter, sentenced to a suspended sentence, given 10 years supervised probation.

Blacks will be pissed at the injustice, probably rightfully so.

I feel bad for Zimmerman insofar as he has hired a real special kind of idiot to represent him.

 

[devil21]

It's already turning into a circus.

http://abcnews.go.com/m/story?id=19504826

In a painfully embarrassing moment, Jeantel was forced to admit that she did not write a letter that was sent to Martin's mother describing what she allegedly heard on a phone call with Martin moments before he was shot. It came when West asked her to read the letter aloud in court.

"Are you able to read that at all?" West asked.

Jeantel, head bowed, eyes averted whispered into the court microphone, "Some but not all. I don't read cursive."

It sent a hush through the packed courtroom.

She was unable to read any of the letter save for her name, date and the words "thank you."

Jeantel said that she dictated the letter to someone who wrote it for her. West then proceeded to grill Jeantel over why she wasn't specific with Martin's mother about some of the things she heard over the phone, suggesting that her version of what she heard on the phone that night was not complete.

The testimony was an attempt to raise questions about veracity of Jeantel's testimony, who is a key prosecution witness in the racially charged case.

 

[rpfocus]

It's already turning into a circus.

http://abcnews.go.com/m/story?id=19504826

Proof that allowing remedials to advance grades doesn't help anyone.

 

[YesI'mALiberal]

I feel bad for Zimmerman insofar as he has hired a real special kind of idiot to represent him.

Richard Gilbert?

 

[liveandletlive]

You can't fix stupid. Our public school education system on display with that witness. A 19 year old who is "functionally illiterate" with the millions we spend on education.

I feel for Trayvons father...who probably wanted to strangle that girls neck

 

[kcchiefs6465]

Richard Gilbert?

Whoever opened up with a knock knock joke isn't fit to represent anyone for a traffic ticket let alone a murder charge. I haven't been following the case much but I believe Zimmerman is the one who hired him. He has to be kicking himself for that one. To have your representation make jokes at a murder trial... well I can't imagine it's ever been done. Certainly after how it went over, it won't be happening again any time soon.

 

[dannno]

Curious how a "self defense" theory will work when one person with a gun runs after another unarmed person who was simply walking down the street even after the people at 911 told him not to go after the person. Person with the gun was the one who felt "threatened"? And that fear was somehow eased by running after the other guy rather than staying away from them while the cops were on their way?

Where is the proof that this is what happened?

That isn't how our legal system works, you can't just make up a story and say that somebody is guilty.

First of all, just because 911 told Zimmerman not to follow skittleboy doesn't mean he was not in his right to follow skittleboy. Skittleboy could have very easily felt threatened by the presence of Zimmerman and attacked Zimmerman!! In fact, witnesses said that skittleboy was on TOP of Zimmerman, punching him in the head when Zimmerman pulled out his gun and shot him.

All of that evidence leads to a good argument for self defense. Now, it's very possible that Zimmerman attacked skittleboy, but there really isn't any evidence of that, is there? You actually have to PROVE that Zimmerman attacked skittleboy in this country in order to find him guilty, and I haven't seen any evidence of that.

 

[MoneyWhereMyMouthIs2]

First of all, just because 911 told Zimmerman not to follow skittleboy doesn't mean he was not in his right to follow skittleboy. Skittleboy could have very easily felt threatened by the presence of Zimmerman and attacked Zimmerman!! In fact, witnesses said that skittleboy was on TOP of Zimmerman, punching him in the head when Zimmerman pulled out his gun and shot him.

All of that evidence leads to self defense. Now, it's very possible that Zimmerman attacked skittleboy, but there really isn't any evidence of that, is there?

Well, he had no reason or authority to follow him in the first place. The fact that he was told not to... well, that was good advice he didn't take, even though it came from a 911 dispatcher.

Given everything he knows now, I bet Zimmerman would have been thrilled to take that advice.

If someone is following me around... what am I supposed to think about that? 95% of the time, I wouldn't care. The other 5%, ???

 

[RickyJ]

You know you might be in trouble when your own lawyer starts off with a knock knock joke. Especially one that implies the jury is stupid.

They are stupid. That was a good joke. They didn't laugh or smile because they felt bad about lying to get on the jury.

 

[brandon]

I've had a bad fever all week, which means I've stayed home from work bed ridden. I've watched the entirety of day 2 and day 3 of the trial, and part of todays.

I concur with the OP. I'm absolutely flabergasted at the media coverage of this. The state's case is a complete clusterfuck. They don't have a single credible witness. The star witness is an illiterate, rude, thug girl who has previously lied under oath and has already changed her testimony several times. If there were an odds market for this case, I'd bet "not guilty" would currently be running about 99 to 1. Yet when I turn on the TV I hear the exact opposite. It makes no sense.

 

[Dr.3D]

What is to say, Zimmerman didn't turn to go back to his vehicle only to be attacked by Trayvon for following him?

We have not heard enough of the evidence or even the story to even guess about what happened.

 

[MoneyWhereMyMouthIs2]

I've had a bad fever all week, which means I've stayed home from work bed ridden. I've watched the entirety of day 2 and day 3 of the trial, and part of todays.

I concur with the OP. I'm absolutely flabergasted at the media coverage of this. The state's case is a complete clusterfuck. They don't have a single credible witness. The star witness is an illiterate, rude, thug girl who has previously lied under oath and has already changed her testimony several times. If there were an odds market for this case, I'd bet "not guilty" would currently be running about 99 to 1. Yet when I turn on the TV I hear the exact opposite. It makes no sense.

And you can bet that will cause an uproar regarding "stand your ground" laws. That's what this is about, even though it doesn't fit the facts of the case.

 

[Dr.3D]

I've had a bad fever all week, which means I've stayed home from work bed ridden. I've watched the entirety of day 2 and day 3 of the trial, and part of todays.

I concur with the OP. I'm absolutely flabergasted at the media coverage of this. The state's case is a complete clusterfuck. They don't have a single credible witness. The star witness is an illiterate, rude, thug girl who has previously lied under oath and has already changed her testimony several times. If there were an odds market for this case, I'd bet "not guilty" would currently be running about 99 to 1. Yet when I turn on the TV I hear the exact opposite. It makes no sense.

The media has already found Zimmerman guilty. They spread the story months ago.

 

[MoneyWhereMyMouthIs2]

What is to say, Zimmerman didn't turn to go back to his vehicle only to be attacked by Trayvon for following him?

We have not heard enough of the evidence or even the story to even guess about what happened.

Ummm... don't go looking for a fight unless you want one?

 

[dannno]

Well, he had no reason or authority to follow him in the first place. The fact that he was told not to... well, that was good advice he didn't take, even though it came from a 911 dispatcher.

Authority?? Free fucking country. You have no argument here, except that in this case I will admit it was good advice he could have followed, but there is no reason he had to follow it. What if skittleboy turned out to be the person robbing the neighborhood and Zimmerman instead caught him and held him until police arrived? A 911 dispatcher would recommend against this, but it is perfectly legal. But how would Zimmerman or 911 dispatcher know this before it happened? The 911 dispatcher in this case was lucky and happened to give the correct advise.

Given everything he knows now, I bet Zimmerman would have been thrilled to take that advice.

If someone is following me around... what am I supposed to think about that? 95% of the time, I wouldn't care. The other 5%, ???

If somebody was following me around I would either head straight home or confront them by casually saying 'hi' and starting up a conversation. I'm pretty sure Zimmerman would have acted like a total dick, but after skittleboy explained he was visiting his aunt and gave him the address of where she lived he would have backed off.. but instead, according to Zimmerman, he just straight up attacked him.

Now, again, I wasn't there, I have no idea what actually transpired, but in order to convict Zimmerman of murder, you have to prove that he wasn't attacked by skittleboy and that is going to be very difficult now that our star witness for skittleboy, who was not only his gf but was on a cell phone and didn't actually see what happened anyway.. she can barely read and that testimony is sounding really weak.