The Young Turks: Bundy Ranch Conspiracy Debunked

[muh_roads]

Playing devil's advocate here. I haven't been following things that closely. I've only watched the StormCloudsGathering video and TYT talks about it here as false.



Read more about the Reid conspiracy here: http://www.snopes.com/politics/conspiracy/nevada.asp

Read more about the federal land issue here: http://thehill.com/blogs/e2-wire/e2...waiting-game-after-nevada-ranch-standoff-ends

 

[pcosmar]

Playing devil's advocate here. I haven't been following things that closely. I've only watched the StormCloudsGathering video and TYT talks about it here as false.



Read more about the Reid conspiracy here: http://www.snopes.com/politics/conspiracy/nevada.asp

Read more about the federal land issue here: http://thehill.com/blogs/e2-wire/e2...waiting-game-after-nevada-ranch-standoff-ends

Debunked?
I don't think so.

Federal Land? I don't think so.

he went to Snopes (a left wing bias site)

Ok..
Keep looking.. you ain't debunked shit.

 

[muh_roads]

Debunked?
I don't think so.

Federal Land? I don't think so.

That's the claim. It was never their land to begin with.

 

[AuH20]

That's the claim. It was never their land to begin with.

Bundy never said it was his land though.

 

[AuH20]

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[pcosmar]

That's the claim. It was never their land to begin with.

It is Nevada Land (not Federal),, and that is even in question,, as the land was incorporated from Arizona long ago (and that itself has questions).

And though the Solar deal might have fallen through it was still the Reason for the land grab.
And there is no doubt some other "interest" that wants this land. It ain't about turtles.

 

[pcosmar]

Bundy never said it was his land though.

No he hasn't,, he says it is Nevada land (Clark county land) and not Federal land.

He claims he has land rights to use that land that date back long before the BLM existed.

He had rights that go back to before Nevada was a state.

 

[pcosmar]

And (this is probably what irks me most) this "young turk" obviously does not understand the purpose of the 2nd amendment.

This is exactly what the Right to keep and bear arms is for,, To confront armed thugs.

perhaps he should research the Battle of Athens.

 

[Warrior_of_Freedom]

The one committing threats of violence is the FEDERAL GOVERNMENT. "Pay up or else." He's probably never used a gun in his life and if he saw one in person would faint. Is there a medical definition for a fear of guns?

 

[Brian4Liberty]

All I heard was a bunch of anti-Second Amendment propaganda.

Oh yeah, and Cenk's claim (paraphrased) that "it's crazy to think that people would make plans 15 years in advance" as some kind of evidence that Harry Reid and friends don't have some future schemes in mind is nonsense. Yes Cenk, people do plot that far in advance. And when it is that far in advance details often change. That doesn't confirm or deny the presence of plots. It doesn't prove anything.

 

[pcosmar]

Is there a medical definition for a fear of guns?

here is a word to describe it (Hoplophobia)

But it was made up as a description.. not recognized as a medical condition by the medical community that itself has a fear of guns,,and political agendas.

 

[gwax23]

Cenk is a tool.

 

[muh_roads]

So is the BLM Federal? Sorry I have just not been paying attention.

I know everyone is upset about this...but can we get some proper documentation on who owns the land? Liberals are running wild with this TYT thing.

 

[AuH20]

So is the BLM Federal? Sorry I have just not been paying attention.

I know everyone is upset about this...but can we get some proper documentation on who owns the land? Liberals are running wild with this TYT thing.

For those who's cognitive functions have not been destroyed by fluoride:

 

[pcosmar]

So is the BLM Federal? Sorry I have just not been paying attention.

I know everyone is upset about this...but can we get some proper documentation on who owns the land? Liberals are running wild with this TYT thing.

The State of Nevada OWNs the land.. It is Open Range..and has been since before Nevada became a state.

I really don't care for Faux Snooze,,, But they have at least been covering some of it.

http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2014...-reid-so-concerned-with-local-nevada-rancher/

http://www.examiner.com/article/und...t-chinese-fight-against-mormon-cattle?cid=rss

 

[muh_roads]

The one committing threats of violence is the FEDERAL GOVERNMENT. "Pay up or else." He's probably never used a gun in his life and if he saw one in person would faint. Is there a medical definition for a fear of guns?

Was he paying land fees to Nevada and then suddenly the BLM decided they want some of the fees too?

 

[Danke]

Cenk is a tool.

Ya, he skips over a lot of point/issues.

Be nice to see him in a debate over this.

 

[pcosmar]

Was he paying land fees to Nevada and then suddenly the BLM decided they want some of the fees too?

Yes.
Dude,, read some.
There is information and links and discussion in several threads.

The Government is wrong here (as usual) and Harry Reid's grubby paws are all over it,, and that is documented.

 

[muh_roads]

And (this is probably what irks me most) this "young turk" obviously does not understand the purpose of the 2nd amendment.

This is exactly what the Right to keep and bear arms is for,, To confront armed thugs.

To play devil's advocate again...I don't think it actually says that. Help me find it if it does. I think the part about defending against a "tyrannical government" was said in the Federalist papers but it doesn't actually exist in the constitution.

I'm arguing with a liberal that wants to stick to the technicals.



If someone would want to pick this guy apart, please feel free. For the record, I am NOT a fan of TYT. I stick to economics and I'm also fairly busy with work. I rather enjoy proving my friend wrong.

Yes.
Dude,, read some.
There is information and links and discussion in several threads.

Was arguing with someone live at work and was looking for a quick answer with info.

 

[CPUd]

To play devil's advocate again...I don't think it actually says that. Help me find it if it does. I think the part about defending against a "tyrannical government" was said in the Federalist papers but it doesn't actually exist in the constitution.

I'm arguing with a liberal that wants to stick to the technicals.

Was arguing with someone live at work and was looking for a quick answer with info.

Unfortunately, it has gotten to the point where you are going to have to start back from square 1 if you want to understand the issues between the BLM and the Bundys. As unbelievable as it sounds, there are people out there who will post whatever can get links and video views, and this BLM/Rancher story is easy pickings.