jmdrake
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Disclaimer 1: I didn't vote for Gary Johnson. I voted for Virgil Goode.
Disclaimer 2: I actually like "TokenLibertarianGirl" (Julie whatshername).
Those two disclaimer's out of the way, she gave probably the worst reason ever for Ron Paul supporters not to vote for Gary Johnson. She starts off talking about why, despite the fact that she doesn't agree with Gary Johnson 100%, she still thinks GH is "10 times better than Obama or Romney". (I disagree. GJ's view that the federal reserve is not "private" makes me question if he understands the fed at all. And his "humanitarian war" doctrine is no different from the Obama doctrine and is potentially worse than the Bush doctrine. But I digress.) Still, after declaring GH to be sooooo much better than ObamaRomney, she goes on to say "But libertarians can't win.....the best way for liberty minded candidates is to run as republicans.....we're winning in the republican party......blah blah blah." Ummm....what the hell does that have to do with who you ultimately cast your vote for today? If you vote for Gary Johnson, or write in Ron Paul, or vote for Mikey Mouse it does absolutely NOTHING to hurt the "take over the GOP" strategy! In fact voting for Gary Johnson can help that strategy because if Romney wins today Rand (the "heir apparent") doesn't get a real chance until 2020. Folks think this through. Jack Hunter and others can talk all day about how Rand can "primary" Mitt Romney. Sure. And that's about as likely as Ron Paul announcing today that he is running third party for president in 2012! Really, do you think Mr. "Plasticman" himself isn't going to throw enough bones to "mainstream conservatives" that they will be willing to fall in line behind a Rand Paul insurgency? And with Rand's strategy of "Let them think I'm one of them so they'll vote for me", do you think he would even consider leading an insurgency against Romney in 2016 unless Romney really screwed up? (And Romney won't. At least not politically).
Really people, this isn't the "either/or" proposition that some folks want to make you think it is. When you have good republican candidates, by all means vote for them. When you have good democratic candidates vote for them as well. (I proudly voted for Ron Paul democratic senate nominee Mark Clayton. He got far more media attention by winning the democratic senate nomination than he would have gotten by running for and losing the republican senate nomination.) Just because you aren't going to fall in line and get a Mitt Romney 2012 bumper sticker doesn't mean you can't later be involved in the takeover of the GOP.
Oh...and the video.
Disclaimer 2: I actually like "TokenLibertarianGirl" (Julie whatshername).
Those two disclaimer's out of the way, she gave probably the worst reason ever for Ron Paul supporters not to vote for Gary Johnson. She starts off talking about why, despite the fact that she doesn't agree with Gary Johnson 100%, she still thinks GH is "10 times better than Obama or Romney". (I disagree. GJ's view that the federal reserve is not "private" makes me question if he understands the fed at all. And his "humanitarian war" doctrine is no different from the Obama doctrine and is potentially worse than the Bush doctrine. But I digress.) Still, after declaring GH to be sooooo much better than ObamaRomney, she goes on to say "But libertarians can't win.....the best way for liberty minded candidates is to run as republicans.....we're winning in the republican party......blah blah blah." Ummm....what the hell does that have to do with who you ultimately cast your vote for today? If you vote for Gary Johnson, or write in Ron Paul, or vote for Mikey Mouse it does absolutely NOTHING to hurt the "take over the GOP" strategy! In fact voting for Gary Johnson can help that strategy because if Romney wins today Rand (the "heir apparent") doesn't get a real chance until 2020. Folks think this through. Jack Hunter and others can talk all day about how Rand can "primary" Mitt Romney. Sure. And that's about as likely as Ron Paul announcing today that he is running third party for president in 2012! Really, do you think Mr. "Plasticman" himself isn't going to throw enough bones to "mainstream conservatives" that they will be willing to fall in line behind a Rand Paul insurgency? And with Rand's strategy of "Let them think I'm one of them so they'll vote for me", do you think he would even consider leading an insurgency against Romney in 2016 unless Romney really screwed up? (And Romney won't. At least not politically).
Really people, this isn't the "either/or" proposition that some folks want to make you think it is. When you have good republican candidates, by all means vote for them. When you have good democratic candidates vote for them as well. (I proudly voted for Ron Paul democratic senate nominee Mark Clayton. He got far more media attention by winning the democratic senate nomination than he would have gotten by running for and losing the republican senate nomination.) Just because you aren't going to fall in line and get a Mitt Romney 2012 bumper sticker doesn't mean you can't later be involved in the takeover of the GOP.
Oh...and the video.
