The Woman Problem with Ron Paul

[maxoutco]

Allright guys and ladies, I think I got this. I understand what the issue is, but cannot provide a solution as to it is the same thing we are fighting with the older crowd. Here's the issue:

Women love t.v. (Gatherers)
Men love internet (Hunters)


Now those that would argue that women love internet too, they need to remember women only really use the internet to socialize (facebook, tweeting, etc.) Since women love t.v., watch the news on t.v., get fed who to vote for (Mitt Romney), etc. etc... I am taking this information from being married to a woman with 2 sisters, and a mom who love to watch t.v.


Do I have a solution to this problem, absolutely not. But I believe I have defined the issue.

 

[James Madison]

I agree the problem lies in human evolution, but disagree to the solution. A lot of women are apolitical but can be persuaded to vote for RP by a respected male figure (my girlfriend is a great example). The key is be kind, sincere, and all that good stuff. Guys, bring your girlfriend along to caucus and then go out to eat at a nice restaurant. That should get them to vote for Ron.

 

[maxoutco]

I agree the problem lies in human evolution, but disagree to the solution. A lot of women are apolitical but can be persuaded to vote for RP by a respected male figure (my girlfriend is a great example). The key is be kind, sincere, and all that good stuff. Guys, bring your girlfriend along to caucus and then go out to eat at a nice restaurant. That should get them to vote for Ron.

I agree with your solution, but I never provided a solution. I only provided the issue. The solution needs to be brought to the table to discuss.

 

[RockEnds]

That doesn't work for me at all. The men I know watch tv and depend upon women to surf the net for them. Stereotyping is rarely effective.

 

[maxoutco]

That doesn't work for me at all. The men I know watch tv and depend upon women to surf the net for them. Stereotyping is rarely effective.

I also don't believe in stereotyping, but I do think this classifies as a majority. What are the women surfing for though if they are?

 

[Indy Vidual]

...But I believe I have defined the issue....

IMO, you may have defined part of the issue.
When is the last time you talked w/ several college-aged women about their views on abortion? We desperately need to let them know that in a free society abortion would probably be legal in at least several states.

 

[Constitutional Paulicy]

I think it's fairly simple. Not sure why it's such a mystery. Women are so much more compassionate than men. They tend to not all of course sympathize with the less fortunate (unemployed/impoverished/disadvantaged elderly). The entitlement system appeals to them more than it does men. It's slightly gender related and slightly cultural in that it has become part of our culture to rely on a nanny state.

Reinforce how a libertarian philosophy can be superior to an entitlement approach and you bring both the elderly and women into the libertarian movement.

 

[Constitutional Paulicy]

This image goes a long way with all of us. It will most certainly appeal more to the sentimental nature of women...

 

[ericthethe]

I think your "hunter = internet, gatherer = television" idea might not be accurate...

Doesn't access to and usage of internet depend more on socioeconomic level and education than gender?

 

[AhuwaleKaNaneHuna]

That doesn't work for me at all. The men I know watch tv and depend upon women to surf the net for them. Stereotyping is rarely effective.

That's how it is my world too.

 

[RockEnds]

I also don't believe in stereotyping, but I do think this classifies as a majority. What are the women surfing for though if they are?

Well, yesterday when the guy sitting in front of his tv called me to ask me to go on the internet and do his research for him, it was about squatter's rights and how to get the people that he was dumb enough to allow to move into an empty house evicted. It took all of about 30 seconds, and he could have pried his butt off his recliner and walked six feet to his own computer to do it. But why, when he can just pick up the phone and call me?

 

[specialK]

Allright guys and ladies, I think I got this. I understand what the issue is, but cannot provide a solution as to it is the same thing we are fighting with the older crowd. Here's the issue:

Women love t.v. (Gatherers)
Men love internet (Hunters)


Now those that would argue that women love internet too, they need to remember women only really use the internet to socialize (facebook, tweeting, etc.) Since women love t.v., watch the news on t.v., get fed who to vote for (Mitt Romney), etc. etc... I am taking this information from being married to a woman with 2 sisters, and a mom who love to watch t.v.


Do I have a solution to this problem, absolutely not. But I believe I have defined the issue.

ONLY use the internet to socialize? Really? Call me an enigma, but as a female, I detest most social media and spend most of my time (10 hours per day plus) online for business.

 

[QuickZ06]

Allright guys and ladies, I think I got this. I understand what the issue is, but cannot provide a solution as to it is the same thing we are fighting with the older crowd. Here's the issue:

Women love t.v. (Gatherers)
Men love internet (Hunters)


Now those that would argue that women love internet too, they need to remember women only really use the internet to socialize (facebook, tweeting, etc.) Since women love t.v., watch the news on t.v., get fed who to vote for (Mitt Romney), etc. etc... I am taking this information from being married to a woman with 2 sisters, and a mom who love to watch t.v.


Do I have a solution to this problem, absolutely not. But I believe I have defined the issue.

I believe you might be on to something. I love forums for cars, hobbies, politics ect ect. My past GF's on the other hand always wonder why I spend a lot of time on them. I always said b.c it's a wealth of information for FREE and I can find great in detail answers as well. They would usually just say "why not google it then" and I go back to what I previously said and say look at where a lot of answers on google come up, FOURMS.

 

[JimInNY]

Ron Paul has no woman problem. Heck, all of the smartest and best looking women support him fully.

 

[kuckfeynes]

I agree that stereotyping is a negative thing when dealing with an individual, but we do need to be able to describe and analyze people in groups... because that is how the mass media game is played. And let's be real, can anyone name one internet forum that isn't heavily dominated by males, besides ones that deal exclusively with women's issues?

This stuff is not only relevant, it's essential to success. If someone is looking to open a new Popeye's Chicken location racial stereotyping is a really good idea. That's not saying people don't deserve to be treated as individuals, that's just identifying a market and appealing to it.

 

[Peace&Freedom]

My suggestions:

1) SHOW MORE WOMEN: Identity politics is a straightforward tactic that cuts across demographics. Commericals and photo-ops of Paul with a supportive women's group, done often enough, will associate Paul with them or communicate he's on their side. Pictures (past and present) of him in an ob-gyn setting would help. Done on a mass scale (women representatives speaking to the media for Paul on local TV in every state) could change the overly male image women have of his ideas. Utilize the more libertarian women from this bureau: http://iamlola.org/SpeakersBureau

2) RUN MORE WOMEN: Select women candidates or representatives to speak for Paul or to run on pro-liberty issues. It will come off as less "men talking at women" if more libertarian women are talking TO women about liberty. Talking points should push the security side, and how the liberty approach makes them more safe. Emphasize the "personal responsibility" side of individualism, as leading directly to the "freedom" side is off-putting to many women.

3) TALK TO SENIOR WOMEN: There was/is a grassroots marketing concept that's been bantered about since 2007 about scheduling speaking appearances at senior centers, to talk to this community about their issues, but from a Paul/liberty perspective. The local meetup could contact all the community centers in their area to schedule a talk on "The Future of SS and Medicare" or some such title, then send skilled/trained Paul speakers over to explain Paul's views. Other 'security' related issues could also be booked on the same basis---speak to their concerns, but direct the presentation towards liberty. Kind of like how Stossel does a show on "education" to draw in liberals, then shows how the libertarian approach makes more sense.

 

[Feeding the Abscess]

Mary Ruwart.

Oh wait, the official campaign doesn't want to associate with anarchists.

Nevermind, move along.

 

[G-Wohl]

Mary Ruwart.

Oh wait, the official campaign doesn't want to associate with anarchists.

Nevermind, move along.

You speak with a hint of sarcasm, suggesting that you find it outrageous that a political campaign in the United States would want to stay clear of figures who advocate the removal of government from all aspects of life, including the police, the military, and the court system. Nobody here should want to associate with anarchists - let alone the Ron Paul campaign.

 

[RonPaulMall]

Convincing your girlfriend is the best solution. I got mine to register Republican and vote for RP here in Florida. The majority of single women vote Democrat. The majority of married women vote Republican. This keys us in to the fact most women vote based on the needs or preferences of their family. In fatherless, single mother households, the Democrats have managed to become the surrogate father of the family, providing cash assistance and food stamps. Most female Democratic voters are quite literally voting for their "baby daddy". In married families, the women are voting for the party that (at least claims to) tax and regulate their husbands and children less. Thus, our problem with women is an extension of our problem in not being able to convert the mainstream Republican men. If we had the support among older (and more likely to be married) GOP men that Romney does, our gender problem would disappear. But the current Ron Paul male voting demographic skews too young and too single, and they are therefore unable too influence a mate.

Obviously, this analysis could be viewed as mildly "offensive" in that it argues the best way to politically influence a woman is through a man, so I don't think it is something we should use in public discourse, but it is probably the closest thing to the truth, and we need to understand it. Yes, there are some independent women who give deep thought to political issues. Some of the greatest Libertarian minds of the 20th Century were women in fact. And I know quite a few strong, independent female Ron Paul supporters. But if we are talking about the numbers necessary to win national political elections, they simply aren't enough. Hell, we (male RP supporters) aren't enough at this point. Only by locking down the typical GOP male voter can we hope to fix our gender woes.

 

[Narmical]

That doesn't work for me at all. The men I know watch tv and depend upon women to surf the net for them. Stereotyping is rarely effective.

I have a stereotype, all Alligators are dangerous. That one has worked out for me so far.

In all seriousness, I think the issue raise is a good one; weather its a gender issue or not.

The TV watchers are not our strong suit.