The wisdom of federalism, our Constitution’s plan!

[Anti Federalist]

So, you are a supporter of our Constitution and federalism, our Constitution's plan?

JWK

I support freedom.

The constitution and its plan has brought us one of the most tyrannical, expansive and intrusive governments history has ever seen.

So, obviously, the plan has failed.

The only thing that has managed to retain even a shred of basic freedoms from government infringement is the Bill of Rights.

Which was/is rejected by the federalists.

 

[Ender]

I support freedom.

The constitution and it's plan has brought us one of the most tyrannical, expansive and intrusive governments history has ever seen.

So, obviously, the plan has failed.

The only thing that has managed to retain even a shred of basic freedoms from government infringement is the Bill of Rights.

Which was/is rejected by the federalists.

AMEN.

 

[ZENemy]

I support freedom.

The constitution and it's plan has brought us one of the most tyrannical, expansive and intrusive governments history has ever seen.

So, obviously, the plan has failed.

The only thing that has managed to retain even a shred of basic freedoms from government infringement is the Bill of Rights.

Which was/is rejected by the federalists.

 

[heavenlyboy34]

I support freedom.

The constitution and it's plan has brought us one of the most tyrannical, expansive and intrusive governments history has ever seen.

So, obviously, the plan has failed.

The only thing that has managed to retain even a shred of basic freedoms from government infringement is the Bill of Rights.

Which was/is rejected by the federalists.

You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to Anti Federalist again.

Sorry, bro.

 

[heavenlyboy34]

Seems to me you ought to review our OTHER founders' own words especially the Anti Federalists, unless of course you are really happy with only the incomplete statist's version of history.


BTW, Hamilton, the coup leader, had married into the Rothschild family and had become a secret agent for the Bank of England.

What a guy. Arron Burr deserves the Medal of Freedom for killing that SOB traitor.

You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to Ronin Truth again.

Hasn't been often you deserve a +rep, but I wish I had one for you now.

 

[nayjevin]

The constitution and it's plan has brought us one of the most tyrannical, expansive and intrusive governments history has ever seen.

So, obviously, the plan has failed.

The constitution and it's[sic] plan has kept us from an even more tyrannical, expansive, and intrusive government than would have occurred otherwise, as can be seen by the utter brutality of governments previous.

How could one perception of reality be distinguished from the other? I say it's a matter of a person's perspective which way they see it.

 

[phill4paul]

The constitution and it's[sic] plan has kept us from an even more tyrannical, expansive, and intrusive government than would have occurred otherwise, as can be seen by the utter brutality of governments previous.

How could one perception of reality be distinguished from the other? I say it's a matter of a person's perspective which way they see it.

ORLY? What are your thoughts on the AoC had they been given more than a blink of an eye in the span of time?

 

[nayjevin]

ORLY? What are your thoughts on the AoC had they been given more than a blink of an eye in the span of time?

Similar, with different problems. The advantage we have now is the preknowledge that future generations must be civic minded and focused on education in the long term. There are no great implementable alternatives that are not long-term gradualist projects, there are opportunities to reduce suffering by not focusing on the problems with the Constitution, and as a rhetorical tool in an age of manufactured consent, it has meager value, but as a check on government, it is very obviously still a valuable document underpinning rule of law. That's why all courtrooms still use it and suffering is reduced and justice is served to the extent it is followed, in adherence with natural law. The amount it is usurped has no bearing on the fact that it exists and is fundamental to real world law and is the highest precedent. It therefore serves as a basis for justice.

AoC would have done same with slightly different effects. Constitution would do so more effectively if it were written better.

 

[BUTSRSLY]

Similar, with different problems. The advantage we have now is the preknowledge that future generations must be civic minded and focused on education in the long term. There are no great implementable alternatives that are not long-term gradualist projects, there are opportunities to reduce suffering by not focusing on the problems with the Constitution, and as a rhetorical tool in an age of manufactured consent, it has meager value, but as a check on government, it is very obviously still a valuable document underpinning rule of law. That's why all courtrooms still use it and suffering is reduced and justice is served to the extent it is followed, in adherence with natural law. The amount it is usurped has no bearing on the fact that it exists and is fundamental to real world law and is the highest precedent. It therefore serves as a basis for justice.

AoC would have done same with slightly different effects.

IT'S BULLSHIT, BUT IT'S THE BEST BULLSHIT WE HAVE

 

[Ronin Truth]

"I wish it were possible to obtain a single amendment to our constitution - taking from the federal government their power of borrowing." - Thomas Jefferson

"It is incumbent on every generation to pay its own debts as it goes. A principle which if acted on would save one-half the wars of the world." -- Thomas Jefferson

 

[phill4paul]

Similar, with different problems. The advantage we have now is the preknowledge that future generations must be civic minded and focused on education in the long term. There are no great implementable alternatives that are not long-term gradualist projects, there are opportunities to reduce suffering by not focusing on the problems with the Constitution, and as a rhetorical tool in an age of manufactured consent, it has meager value, but as a check on government, it is very obviously still a valuable document underpinning rule of law. That's why all courtrooms still use it and suffering is reduced and justice is served to the extent it is followed, in adherence with natural law. The amount it is usurped has no bearing on the fact that it exists and is fundamental to real world law and is the highest precedent. It therefore serves as a basis for justice.

AoC would have done same with slightly different effects. Constitution would do so more effectively if it were written better.

Ah, but alas, it was not written better. It was written as it stands. And here we are.

 

[Anti Federalist]

The constitution and it's[sic] plan has kept us from an even more tyrannical, expansive, and intrusive government than would have occurred otherwise, as can be seen by the utter brutality of governments previous.

How could one perception of reality be distinguished from the other? I say it's a matter of a person's perspective which way they see it.

Thanks for the grammatical correction.

So, as you see it, we should be thankful (due to the constitution) that we're not at the deathcamp/gulag stage?

Glass half full, amirite?

 

[heavenlyboy34]

Thanks for the grammatical correction.

So, as you see it, we should be thankful (due to the constitution) that we're not at the deathcamp/gulag stage?

Glass half full, amirite?

The prison system reminds me an awful lot of the Gulag system Solzhenitsyn described.

 

[Anti Federalist]

The prison system reminds me an awful lot of the Gulag system Solzhenitsyn described.

I wonder what our Russian comrade would have said about the government school to government prison system?

 

[HVACTech]

Now who's calling names?

There is nowhere on this site where I call myself an anarchist.

I am becoming suspicious of your technical credentials.
and YES! fucktard. an HVACTech does in fact have access.
to "finish Carpenters" knowledge base.

just EXACTLY what type of Carpenter do you purport to be again?
(I played nice with you when you had the balls to discuss electrical with me. )
gloves are off champ. go for it!.

SUN Tzu.

 

[HVACTech]

//

SUN Tzu.

 

[phill4paul]

I am becoming suspicious of your technical credentials.
and YES! fucktard. an HVACTech does in fact have access.
to "finish Carpenters" knowledge base.

just EXACTLY what type of Carpenter do you purport to be again?
(I played nice with you when you had the balls to discuss electrical with me. )
gloves are off champ. go for it!.

SUN Tzu.

Goob ne gob ne goober gob.
Goob goober de goober gab.

Gab gab ne goober gab.

 

[HVACTech]

Thanks for the grammatical correction.

you are a spoor feller?

who CANNOT understand Architecture?
or did I miss something?

gawd, you are a boor sir.

 

[Origanalist]

Goob ne gob ne goober gob.
Goob goober de goober gab.

Gab gab ne goober gab.

Oh yeah? I challenge you to a dual with Chinese women on our backs. Anytime, anywhere.

 

[HVACTech]

Goob ne gob ne goober gob.
Goob goober de goober gab.

Gab gab ne goober gab.

dude.
YOU are not even a carpenter.
and I am CERTAINLY NOT a lady.
know ANYBODY else who has the FUCKING balls to claim high level HVACTech and keep it for 8 years?
why don't YOU dethrone me asshole?
why?
because you and ALL your buddies cannot!

In HG Vac.
(inches of mercury. vacuum.)
Evangelista Torricelli

was that a nice way of telling you that you suck? or what!