The US Foreign Service looked the other way while my friend was brutalized in Brazil

[Suzanimal]

I don't have much disposable income, and I highly doubt a "Raise money to fund my friend's bribe to get him released from Polinter prison" is going to go down too well.

Power comes from the barrel of a gun. If you didn't have a gun, and someone threatened and pursued you to give into their demands, you really don't have a choice.

Brazil has a very small military, and a war against them will revitalize the economy by creating jobs, much better than Obama's failed "plan"! And we'll have access to oil to help our energy crisis!

I've never been intentionally rude to anyone on this forum until now. Congrats. Keep it up and you'll earn the first neg rep I've ever felt compelled to hand out.

 

[tod evans]

I don't have much disposable income, and I highly doubt a "Raise money to fund my friend's bribe to get him released from Polinter prison" is going to go down too well.

Power comes from the barrel of a gun. If you didn't have a gun, and someone threatened and pursued you to give into their demands, you really don't have a choice.

Brazil has a very small military, and a war against them will revitalize the economy by creating jobs, much better than Obama's failed "plan"! And we'll have access to oil to help our energy crisis!

Best of luck with your war...

I can't for the life of me see how waging a war is cheaper than bribing some third world officials though......

 

[TSLexi]

Best of luck with your war...

I can't for the life of me see how waging a war is cheaper than bribing some third world officials though......

What if they don't take the bribe? What if they report me to the US Embassy?

Why do people condone the Ferguson riots, which will serve no purpose in getting what they want, yet condemn my idea to get my friend released, which does have a chance of working out if I could get the support.

Wars create jobs. WW2 revitalized our economy. It doesn't have to be an all-out invasion, just move the USN Fourth Fleet slightly, and blockade their ports.

 

[acptulsa]

Brazil has a very small military, and a war against them will revitalize the economy by creating jobs, much better than Obama's failed "plan"! And we'll have access to oil to help our energy crisis!

Our economy can't pull out of the postwar depression it's in now because we haven't stopped borrowing and spending and killing for over a decade. We're in a perpetual war and a perpetual postwar depression. We're trashing our economy in ways the U. S. economy has never been trashed before. Yet another war will not help.

And you're a mighty bloodthirsty thing, aren't you?

Your Brazilian native U.S. citizen seems to have dual citizenship. You might have to let this thing take its course. That would be a better thing for your friend than you hounding and pissing off everyone who might be able to eventually help him.

Why do people condone the Ferguson riots, which will serve no purpose in getting what they want, yet condemn my idea to get my friend released, which does have a chance of working out if I could get the support.

I don't know. Why don't you go find someone who condones riots and ask them?

 

[tod evans]

What if they don't take the bribe? What if they report me to the US Embassy?

Why do people condone the Ferguson riots, which will serve no purpose in getting what they want, yet condemn my idea to get my friend released, which does have a chance of working out if I could get the support.

Wars create jobs. WW2 revitalized our economy.

I can't speak for others, only myself..

I've told you how to get your friend released, hell it's both easier and cheaper than here in the US, and you want to go off on tangents that serve no purpose toward that end...

Are you really interested in helping your friend or is this whole thread some childish venting?

Sanity really might be an issue....

 

[Lindsey]

First, I am sorry for your friend's losses. It is always a shame that such brutality is allowed to occur.

Second, I consider myself a non-interventionist. I believe that the affairs of another country are their business, unless it is a matter of defending ourselves. While it is saddening that this occurred (to a US citizen nonetheless,) it occurred on foreign soil - he committed a crime hat would have been a crime here too. If I read your story correctly, he started the violent behavior. I see no good coming of the US involving itself in the Brazilian justice system. I especially would never support acts of war such as blockades or sanctions.

Third, the difference in Ferguson and your situation is vast. Stop trying to make comparisons - they don't work.

Fourth, war is not good for the economy. War is good for the military-industrial complex. I hope you stick around here and read and learn a bit. There is a lot of knowledge to be had from RPF.

 

[mosquitobite]

I find threads like these amusing. A newbie coming and wanting to start a war with Brazil because prisoners in jail beat up her friend while the guards looked the other way.

Because 'Murica is better!

http://abcnews.go.com/US/half-sexual-abuse-claims-american-prisons-involve-guards/story?id=21892170

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/news/prison-abuse/

http://www.nytimes.com/2004/05/08/national/08PRIS.html

Here's the type of system you want America to export? via war?

The experts also point out that the man who directed the reopening of the Abu Ghraib prison in Iraq last year and trained the guards there resigned under pressure as director of the Utah Department of Corrections in 1997 after an inmate died while shackled to a restraining chair for 16 hours. The inmate, who suffered from schizophrenia, was kept naked the whole time.

The Utah official, Lane McCotter, later became an executive of a private prison company, one of whose jails was under investigation by the Justice Department when he was sent to Iraq as part of a team of prison officials, judges, prosecutors and police chiefs picked by Attorney General John Ashcroft to rebuild the country's criminal justice system.

Here's a life lesson TSLexi: just because the state controlled news doesn't report on it, doesn't mean it doesn't happen.

 

[acptulsa]

Much less sticking people in modern versions of Victorian Work Houses where they have to work for local business and companies like Avalon get their paychecks--and they get thrown at each other like pit bulls or roosters for the guards' amusement...

http://www.fox23.com/news/news/brea...at-avalon-correctional-f/ndnW7/#__federated=1

So, we want to start a war we can't begin to afford to get Brazil to stop doing the same damned thing the U.S. does. Not a bandwagon I'm anxious to jump on.

 

[Henry Rogue]

and a war against them will revitalize the economy by creating jobs

Lol

 

[mosquitobite]

Lol

What? You didn't learn that during your public education?

I certainly did. We were taught that WWII pulled us out of the Great Depression. War tis gut!

 

[Henry Rogue]

What? You didn't learn that during your public education?

I certainly did. We were taught that WWII pulled us out of the Great Depression. War tis gut!

Depended on the subject being taught. If the subject was WW2 then yes, if subject was the New Deal then that was the reason. I actually believed the WW2 bs at one point im my life, so I should be more patient with the ignorant since i was myself at one point.

Me thinks the OP is a troll, possibly a familiar one at that.

 

[Cleaner44]

Every time I see the Brazilian Embassy, I want to Molotov it. They deserve it, not the civilized luxury of negotiations

I never said we're perfect. But we are better than them. Not all cultures and civilizations are equal. He didn't deserve this. Why did nobody actually try to help? My friend did the right thing and he got beaten nearly to death and lost his dream. How many people have to suffer under brutality before we say enough is enough?


Where did we give Brazil the right to violate someone's human rights and dignity? Where? They do not have the right to self-determination if they abuse it like this. It's a privilege we can revoke.

Those who were abused in Nazi Germany welcomed our intervention to prevent further abuse. I'm sure the Brazilian prisoners would too.

We can wage a bloodless war by blockading their ports and arresting their embassy officials until they fix their justice system to our satisfaction. If any "justice system", foreign or domestic, is unjust, we have a duty to interfere with it.

My friend should have been remanded to the US Consul to be deported and tried under our justice system.

I don't have much disposable income, and I highly doubt a "Raise money to fund my friend's bribe to get him released from Polinter prison" is going to go down too well.

Power comes from the barrel of a gun. If you didn't have a gun, and someone threatened and pursued you to give into their demands, you really don't have a choice.

Brazil has a very small military, and a war against them will revitalize the economy by creating jobs, much better than Obama's failed "plan"! And we'll have access to oil to help our energy crisis!

So you friend violently attacked some people and now you want U.S. military members to risk their lives to kill the people of Brazil for some twisted reason.

You are a sick, violent and ugly person. I suggest you seek help.

 

[TSLexi]

He was defending me against people who were non consensualy touching me! Defense of a third party is a legitimate use of force!

 

[libertarianinternational]

This is evidently satire. OP is mocking Americans for wanting war with ISIS with this allegory. Replace "brutalized" with "beheaded", "Brazil" with "Syria".

 

[Cleaner44]

He was defending me against people who were non consensualy touching me! Defense of a third party is a legitimate use of force!

So your fuck buddy was fighting with other men for you and he got himself into a horrible situation, along with the fact that you called the cops on him. I still don't understand how you can ask for U.S. military members to risk their lives to kill thousands of people over this stupid situation. Are you just wanting to rachet up the quanity of men that with use violence at your request? Is this a pattern you have repeated many times in your life?

 

[Danke]

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[Cissy]

Every time I see the Brazilian Embassy, I want to Molotov it. They deserve it, not the civilized luxury of negotiations

I suppose you possess the face that launched a thousand ships?

Or perhaps you never learned the proverb that two wrongs don't make a right?

 

[Demigod]

Unless you are just itching for an excuse the chance of a government starting a war over a matter as trivial as this is 0.To even think about calling the cops in a foreign country with a foreign culture is stupid beyond compare.Tod is right you could have probably gotten him out of the jail the very night with a few bribes,favors.I could imagine the laughs they had at the US embassy when you proposed an embargo.

 

[Zippyjuan]

So we should beat up and kill innocent people of an entire country because a few people in that country beat up somebody. So we should take over the entire world since that happens everywhere.

 

[Occam's Banana]