The trade wars have begun:

[WarriorLiberty]

Funny, I never ate a CPU, how do they taste?

I buy food all the time, I very rarely need to buy a CPU.

Even CPU prices will come down in the long run.

Even CPU prices will come down in the long run.

Yeah it would after Trump term is gone. Just like the last time.

Tariffs isn't going to save the American dollar.
I feel that it would lower its value the down the road.

 

[Swordsmyth]

If you think Biden polices were bad then these Tariffs polices would be just as bad.


The Tariffs last time didnt just impact the prices on GPUs.. It didnt help the American economy in the way Trump thought it would.

LOL

Trump's tariffs helped a lot, and the ones this time will help even more.

 

[WarriorLiberty]

At some point the clown Trump would be forced by the Republicans if they are sane to backtrack these Tariffs

 

[WarriorLiberty]

LOL

Trump's tariffs helped a lot, and the ones this time will help even more.

Trump's tariffs helped a lot

Your right it did help the billionaires..

 

[Swordsmyth]

Yeah it would after Trump term is gone. Just like the last time.

Tariffs isn't going to save the American dollar.
I feel that it would lower its value the down the road.

Most things will improve rapidly, only some things will take longer.

Tariffs are going to save the American economy, and a strong economy will save the dollar.
Tariffs certainly won't harm the dollar, the only real value the dollar has is what you can buy with it, and when America produces more there is more you can buy with the dollar.
Facts don't care about your feelings.

 

[Swordsmyth]

At some point the clown Trump would be forced by the Republicans if they are sane to backtrack these Tariffs

The RINO Free traders are the clowns, and Trump will not be forced to back down by them.

 

[Swordsmyth]

Your right it did help the billionaires..

It helped the average American.
Free Trade helps the Billionaires.

 

[WarriorLiberty]

It helped the average American.
Free Trade helps the Billionaires.

It helped the average American

These Tariffs are no different from the sanctions against Russia.
These sanctions doesn't hurt Russia/Russians but it does hurt average Europeans and these Tariffs arent going to help the average American.

Tariffs are nothing more than a Tax on consumers..

 

[Swordsmyth]

These Tariffs are no different from the sanctions against Russia.
These sanctions doesn't hurt Russia/Russians but it does hurt average Europeans and these Tariffs arent going to help the average American.

Tariffs are nothing more than a Tax on consumers..

You almost got it right.
The tariffs are just like the sanctions on Russia, in fact many compare them to sanctioning ourselves.
And just as the sanctions not only didn't hurt Russia but actually helped it, that is what tariffs will do for Americans.

The value of the labor of the American working man will go up much farther than any prices will.
And tariffs will eliminate the income tax, so total taxation will not change or it will go down, compliance costs cease to exist.

And it is actually common for foreign exporters and import companies to lower their profit margins and/or devalue their currencies to offset all or part of the tariffs, when that happens it is a tax on the foreigners.

 

[otherone]

You almost got it right.
The tariffs are just like the sanctions on Russia, in fact many compare them to sanctioning ourselves.
And just as the sanctions not only didn't hurt Russia but actually helped it, that is what tariffs will do for Americans.

The value of the labor of the American working man will go up much farther than any prices will.
And tariffs will eliminate the income tax, so total taxation will not change or it will go down, compliance costs cease to exist.

And it is actually common for foreign exporters and import companies to lower their profit margins and/or devalue their currencies to offset all or part of the tariffs, when that happens it is a tax on the foreigners.

Trump is playing chess with Chy-na. Canada and Mexico are pawns. Mexican exports to the US are 35% of their GPD, Canada's are 22% of theirs. They will capitulate in weeks, if not days.

 

[Matt Collins]

Free and open trade doesn't exist and will never exist.

Yeah it doesn't exist now because greedy governments and their special interests like to get their hands in it to unfairly tip things in their favor through the force of law. And it doesn't help that the widespread economic ignorance of the masses go along with it because they don't know any better. Hopefully this will change one day and we actually get free trade.

And it would be bad if it did, it would facilitate globalism and the destruction of the middle class in favor of oligarchs.

LOL no... it won't. Free trade is good for all... if we could ever get it. Why do you think the government should manage all private transactions?

 

[luctor-et-emergo]

On the contrary, I have learned, I used to be a minimal tariff guy, but education and experience have taught me the wisdom of aggressive protectionism.

Tariffs by themselves are bad as they make things more costly. I think the tariff on Mexico makes more sense than the one on Canada. What you can achieve with a tariff is an equal playing field, in the specific example of China, one where government subsidies, lack of environmental regulations, lack of interest in human rights etc. etc. are compensated by artificially increasing the prices of Chines products to the level they would be had it been produced locally. It makes total sense in the case of China as they are actively using this to gain more power over the world.

 

[Matt Collins]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K0V8kZyl1T0

 

[WarriorLiberty]

Tariffs by themselves are bad as they make things more costly. I think the tariff on Mexico makes more sense than the one on Canada. What you can achieve with a tariff is an equal playing field, in the specific example of China, one where government subsidies, lack of environmental regulations, lack of interest in human rights etc. etc. are compensated by artificially increasing the prices of Chines products to the level they would be had it been produced locally. It makes total sense in the case of China as they are actively using this to gain more power over the world.

100% Tariffs and on China would just provide reason for China to work with India and Russia.

 

[wizardwatson]

I'm sure we'll think of some emergency situation that makes this a-ok for the president to unilaterally enact as well.

All this just looks like preparation for war. The DOGE thing just seems like accelerated COG operation.

 

[down-under]

Tariff proponents tend to be economic illiterate nationalists-populists . One could make a case sort economic war against a foreign adversary (China ) on some national security grounds but here we are talking about defending high tarifs and autarky as a general economic policy and that would make everyone poorer , period .
The world is on notice of how unreliable the US is , this will hurt the US brand and strategically weaken it bis a bis China

 

[WarriorLiberty]

Tariff proponents tend to be economic illiterate nationalists-populists . One could make a case sort economic war against a foreign adversary (China ) on some national security grounds but here we are talking about defending high tarifs and autarky as a general economic policy and that would make everyone poorer , period .
The world is on notice of how unreliable the US iñ, this will hurt the US brand and strategically weaken it bis a bis China

Yup this is going also going to hurt the Republicans a bit if they dont try to convince to drop Tariffs.

Sending the military to the borders was good step these Tariffs against Canada and Mexico are completely idiotic.

 

[wizardwatson]

Yup this is going also going to hurt the Republicans a bit if they dont try to convince to drop Tariffs.

Sending the military to the borders was good step these Tariffs against Canada and Mexico are completely idiotic.

Trump's "chosen one" status is cemented. His followers, some on this forum, seem perfectly happy burning the whole thing down and going to war with the planet. Every bad decision is met with the same hoots and hollars as when Trump would call Rosie O'donnell ugly.

The cries of "screeching liberals" are indistinguishable from the reasoned protests of would be allies.

Get on the Trump train or get run over seems to be the mantra. Nihilism masquerading as self-preservation.

 

[TheTexan]

as when Trump would call Rosie O'donnell ugly.

Well, I mean,

 

[Anti Federalist]

https://x.com/libsoftiktok/status/1886199606221918595