The time has come to band together

TheGrinch

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Man, I wish it wasn't 3am after enjoying and celebrating this victory, so I could put this more eloquently, but here it goes...

The time has come again to put aside our differences for the greater good. This momentum is no different than the campaign was, we really could be near a tipping point... People from all stripes are fed up, seeing our liberties being stripped and our economy sent into the crapper for the benefit of a few. It is only together that we can start to hold them accountable, and get back our liberties they're trying to assume for their own interests. That much, most people should agree with.

I know we all have disagreements about how much, if at all we're libertarians, or what label we might take, but we have to get past labels and unite on our shared principles. Ron did with Kucinich and McKinney, and Rand pledges to do the same with anyone to get important things done.

Be bipartisan like the party establishments are on matters of taking our rights away. Why should only they be able to look past their differences for what's in their interests?

What we need is honest principled people and honest debate, no matter what ideology. If we can get enough of that, then the changes we want will be much more likely to be realized.
 
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Unfortunately, the other side don't think the same way. Only 1 progressive Dem Senator showed up to the filibuster, even Mark Udall chickened out.
 
We have to make these issues important! They have to see that not taking part in these things can and will jeopardize their re-election.
 
Man, I wish it wasn't 3am after enjoying and celebrating this victory, so I could put this more eloquently, but here it goes...

The time has come again to put aside our differences for the greater good. This momentum is no different than the campaign was, we really could be near a tipping point... People from all stripes are fed up, seeing our liberties being stripped and our economy sent into the crapper for the benefit of a few. It is only together that we can start to hold them accountable, and get back our liberties they're trying to assume for their own interests. That much, most people should agree with.

I know we all have disagreements about how much, if at all we're libertarians, or what label we might take, but we have to get past labels and unite on our shared principles. Ron did with Kucinich and McKinney, and Rand pledges to do the same with anyone to get important things done.

Be bipartisan like the party establishments are on matters of taking our rights away. Why should only they be able to look past their differences for what's in their interests?

What we need is honest principled people and honest debate, no matter what ideology. If we can get enough of that, then the changes we want will be much more likely to be realized.

Edit. I'll pm you later.
 
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Unfortunately, the other side don't think the same way. Only 1 progressive Dem Senator showed up to the filibuster, even Mark Udall chickened out.

No. The OP is right. Yesterday I saw Justin Raimondo, Michelle Bachmann, Reince Priebus, Ann Coulter, Code Pink and the ACLU all cheer Rand Paul on. It's not just about elected democrats. It's about their constituents. If there was a republican in the Whitehouse you wouldn't see as many republicans standing with Rand. Rand Paul yesterday managed to engage the libertarian, progressive and republican grassroots as well as the GOP mainstream. I've never seen that happen before. At least not to that extent. I was listening to Mark Levin last night. At first it sounded like Levin was criticizing Rand because he was talking about how terrorists don't deserve "due process". But then I realized what was going on. Levin was drawing a distinction between terrorists who were an imminent threat, and Americans in the U.S. who pose no imminent threat (the "sitting at a cafe' scenario) and blasting Eric Holder for not immediately saying that under that scenario the government couldn't authorize a drone strike. He went on to praise Rand Paul, Ted Cruze and Mike Lee. The only caveat is that he found a way to sneak in praise for Marco Rubio for the "best ever response to a state of the union address" because he "emphasized liberty and free markets". I'll admit I haven't watched Rubio's speech beyond his "gulp" moment (I guess I have to now), but I found it odd that Levin had to find a way to pimp Rubio even though Rubio hasn't been involved in this particular stand against tyranny. That's what I expect going forward. People like Levin using "Yeah Rand's great. But my guy is great to and he can win." argument. But I don't think that will care the day. At least I hope not.
 
if anything, R's and L's can unite, and bring along some I's and D's... Rand has proven to be a uniter, not a divider.
 
Every individual finds a different path to liberty. There is no need to dictate to each individual which path they should follow, as long as the idea of liberty is gaining momentum. I applaud anyone who can draw in more support. Rand is exceeding my already high expectations of him. We all must understand that whatever our own path is, it is not the only path. This is how we build the necessary energy to free us all.

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Unfortunately, the other side don't think the same way. Only 1 progressive Dem Senator showed up to the filibuster, even Mark Udall chickened out.

It's not about converting the Democratic representatives. It's about converting their constituents. And we saw that in droves yesterday.
 
It's not about converting the Democratic representatives. It's about converting their constituents. And we saw that in droves yesterday.

This.

As Mr. Grinch pointed out, stripping us of our God-given rights is always a bipartisan activity. If we can't mount a bipartisan resistance, well, then I guess God won't figure we deserve our God-given rights any more, because we shall surely lose the last of them.
 
The OP is just stating old fashioned political rhetoric. "We all need to be in this together!" On this site there is plenty of disagreement as to what principles we can all agree upon. Being honest is a good thing. I wonder if we can agree to what that is.

The one thing we all agree upon can not be as simple as opposing gun control or the NDAA. If the disagreement is only on these two things it is not enough. There has to be some concrete libertarian principle which is applied across the board. Could we get to where we can find such a principle?
 
if anything, R's and L's can unite, and bring along some I's and D's... Rand has proven to be a uniter, not a divider.
All those letters are irrelevant. They're arbitrary labels the regime uses to divide us against each other. Pick any letter that works in your area and use it to push the libertarian agenda. Rothbard would approve. :cool:
 
Bears repeating in this thread, the biggest lesson to me from yesterday is that finding common ground DOES work. Really, never in my life have I seen anything like this, of people waking up from their red-team/blue-team slumber to stand up for what is right. It should give everyone hope that we are winning.

We've spent years preaching about what Ron started, and while they weren't ready to listen then, the seeds we've planted have allowed for Americans to say "enough is enough" on important matters like this, that we will not sit quietly as our constitution is shredded and our country hijacked by corrupt interests.

So keep building bridges people, find common ground, STAY ON MESSAGE. That doesn't mean completely abandoning pet issues that are important to you (just don't let them undermine you the messenger or the message), but we need to get back into campaign mode now that Americans are ready to realize the problems we face... We just cannot divide over what we disagree on, we MUST band together like they have to take our liberty away. It is the only way to get to where we want to go. We cannot do this alone, but as Americans we can.

#Standwithrand, or better yet, #Standtogetherforwhatsright
 
The OP is just stating old fashioned political rhetoric. "We all need to be in this together!" On this site there is plenty of disagreement as to what principles we can all agree upon. Being honest is a good thing. I wonder if we can agree to what that is.

The one thing we all agree upon can not be as simple as opposing gun control or the NDAA. If the disagreement is only on these two things it is not enough. There has to be some concrete libertarian principle which is applied across the board. Could we get to where we can find such a principle?

Methinks you should come 'round to see us more often.

Many of us consider the Constitution too toothless and the AnCaps tend not to like it at all, but most here will rally 'round it at the end of the day. And the non-aggression principle seems to form a pretty solid bedrock for the vast majority.

Of course, we are highly unlikely to decide that free speech is too inconvenient to bother with, so I suspect that there will be trolls around here from now until doomsday. So long as that is the case, we will have the appearance of being too unruly to ever form a cohesive fighting force. But, you know, that's fine. I don't mind if our enemies underestimate us...
 
Methinks you should come 'round to see us more often.

Many of us consider the Constitution too toothless and the AnCaps tend not to like it at all, but most here will rally 'round it at the end of the day. And the non-aggression principle seems to form a pretty solid bedrock for the vast majority.

Of course, we are highly unlikely to decide that free speech is too inconvenient to bother with, so I suspect that there will be trolls around here from now until doomsday. So long as that is the case, we will have the appearance of being too unruly to ever form a cohesive fighting force. But, you know, that's fine. I don't mind if our enemies underestimate us...

So true, they think that if they can keep us fighting, then we cannot be cohseive. We've proven that that's not the case when we have something to rally around, but we must be wary that this is what they're doing (and effectively when we don't have something concrete to rally around). Don't let them.

The stakes are simply too high for petty infighting. I'm ready to take our country back.
 
So true, they think that if they can keep us fighting, then we cannot be cohseive. We've proven that that's not the case when we have something to rally around, but we must be wary that this is what they're doing (and effectively when we don't have something concrete to rally around). Don't let them.

The stakes are simply too high for petty infighting. I'm ready to take our country back.

I like your thread and completely agree and I think we're beginning to see it all come together like an ice breaker sailing thru the north sea, or wherever there is an iced covered sea! Seriously I am done playing around and am ready to get our country back, with such a heroic Senator as Rand, Mike Lee, and Cruz, Massie, and Amash it is our time, the peoples time, those of us who know better to act, and act now! Not tomorrow, and not another day, act today and tomorrow. Spread the message and pull in all of the people we can right now while the fire is hot. Send smoke signals!
 
Americans use to be very individualistic in their thinking making it hard to control them. So the globalists set a goal to divide us by convincing us to find our identity in groups (Republican, Libertarian, Democrat, ext). Thus we can't even unite over one simple issue that most Americans agree on as did the Icelanders. George Washington, in his Farewell Address, even warned that the party system could be used to manipulate and divide us. Most libertarians have not fallen for many of CFR tactics, except for this one. If my neighbor will stand with me on one issue, but not another, I welcome them.

Party lines be dammed. We are the People as the Constitution describes us.
 
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