The Single Most Important Documentary I've Ever Found

[July]

It isn't knowledge/technology that has to have necessarily come from aliens. It's certainly plausible that governments simply have more advanced technology that the masses aren't aware of yet, and that governments do routinely suppress ideas and new inventions in order to protect state sponsored monopolies, or prevent other governments from getting ahold of it, etc. The idea that governments might blame unexplained sightings on aliens or conspiracy theories, or outright deny the possibility of such things (though it's really such a natural thing to wonder about), in order to dissuade people from asking questions, or suppress serious thought and research on how such technology might work, is plausible, in my opinion.

 

[John F Kennedy III]

I wholeheartedly believe we have a secret space program that makes NASA look like kids playing with legos. Regardless of how we got the knowledge. It's ridiculous to think our governments DON'T hide the most advanced technologies. They certainly don't act eager to help us out in any other arena. I'm not saying you have to believe they are advanced like in the first sentence, but to think they aren't more advanced than they let on is just foolish.

On a side note, I really can't get over how much ground this documentary covers. It's a gigantic wealth of info, it lays everything out for you. One could easily take notes and spend dozens of hours researching everything.

 

[idiom]

"...Going back to our spiral of binary digits in the crop formation disc, we obtain an initial grouping of 01000010 01100101 01110111 01100001 01110010 and so on, spiralling out from the centre. (see diagram). We can translate these binary sequences into their decimal equivalent and thus look them up in the ASCII character set to see what letters they correspond to.

At first I was all

Doing this for the whole 'disc' we get the message "Beware the bearers of FALSE gifts & their BROKEN PROMISES. Much PAIN but still time. (Damaged Word). There is GOOD out there.We OPpose DECEPTION. Conduit CLOSING (BELL SOUND)".

Then I was all

 

[idiom]

I wholeheartedly believe we have a secret space program that makes NASA look like kids playing with legos. Regardless of how we got the knowledge. It's ridiculous to think our governments DON'T hide the most advanced technologies. They certainly don't act eager to help us out in any other arena. I'm not saying you have to believe they are advanced like in the first sentence, but to think they aren't more advanced than they let on is just foolish.

On a side note, I really can't get over how much ground this documentary covers. It's a gigantic wealth of info, it lays everything out for you. One could easily take notes and spend dozens of hours researching everything.

I haven't watched the doco yet, but I shall.

There certainly is a tremendous black space program. It involves at a minimum several hubble scale telescopes directed at earth plus several 100m+ radio telescopes pointed at Earth. That's as large as I can scope it from legit sources, with estimates on how much was spent and when.

In terms of technology however, space is largely bounded by physics, not technology. The physics makes it exceptionally hard to get things done. Usually the way to resolve it is to throw money at it.

The Official Military Space Program's budget is fully twice the size of NASA's. A large amount of what NASA does is driven by militray specs, such as the use of solid boosters and the size of the shuttle payload bay.

Beyond that NASA is probably one of the more heavily used expensing mechanisms for black operations which is why some of their programs run ridiculously over budget despite having some of the best project managers in the world.

 

[John F Kennedy III]

I haven't watched the doco yet, but I shall.

There certainly is a tremendous black space program. It involves at a minimum several hubble scale telescopes directed at earth plus several 100m+ radio telescopes pointed at Earth. That's as large as I can scope it from legit sources, with estimates on how much was spent and when.

In terms of technology however, space is largely bounded by physics, not technology. The physics makes it exceptionally hard to get things done. Usually the way to resolve it is to throw money at it.

The Official Military Space Program's budget is fully twice the size of NASA's. A large amount of what NASA does is driven by militray specs, such as the use of solid boosters and the size of the shuttle payload bay.

Beyond that NASA is probably one of the more heavily used expensing mechanisms for black operations which is why some of their programs run ridiculously over budget despite having some of the best project managers in the world.

Thanks for the post. I look forward to your opinion of the documentary. Just by confirming there is a black space program that clearly isn't transparent we are admitting they do things we don't know about. Things they don't want us to know. That opens up alot of possibilities

 

[John F Kennedy III]

At first I was all

Then I was all

The bell sound is weird.

 

[whippoorwill]

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[jmdrake]

Just skip that part. It's been thoroughly explained in this thread what they are talking about in that segment. But it's only like 5 minutes. Just skip it. It's a very important documentary. I would not be putting in any effort to get you to watch the rest if I didn't feel it was worth your time. Seriously, please watch the rest.

Good overall video. I could do without the ET stuff at the beginning and the new age stuff at the end, but at least it's not overtly anti Christian like Zeitgeist. That said....I'm not sure why the producer didn't show his own implementation of a free energy device? I mean, if the free energy part is so important (and I think it is) why just talk about it? A Bedeni motor, for example, doesn't look that hard to build.



And JFK, why wait until you go get a PhD to build one of these things? If you can take a basic class in electronics at a community college and learn how to solder you should be able to build one. That's may plan. Learn how to build these things myself. Okay...so it's "suppressed technology". You certainly can't get a patent for any of this. But can you build one and sell it to other people over the net via bitcoins?

Edit: And for me the world's best website on free energy.

http://jnaudin.free.fr/
http://jnaudin.free.fr/html/qedynmnu.htm

 

[osan]

Not bad, though he gets a few facts wrong. And what is up with giving air time to that socialist turd Amy Goodman?

Overall, pretty good. He mentions non-violation, which is a definite hit point. I noticed he seems to have very consciously avoided some of the more salient points of human freedom, such as possession of weaponry (unless I missed it whilst getting some tea in the kitchen), drugs, and so forth. But there many good things.

Not sure I buy the toroidal universe/free energy bit, given there was no discussion about the facts backing the assertion. I have read some of Haramein's work and do not yet have a solid opinion. The free energy bit as presented here is a bit airy fairy for me, but I hope it proves true. The question in my mind is this: if these inventors were/are such philanthropists, why not produce a set of complete engineering drawings for these free energy contraptions and post them for, say, $5 on the net? They'd probably sell millions of them. Were I to have invented such things and was raided by FBI, I can damned well assure you that this is what would happen. If I could not make a buck on it legitimately for fear of "government", I would by all means give it away such that there would be nothing the thugs could do to stop the world from having it. That aspect of this production I find highly suspect, despite all the other solidly good stuff that is in it.

The other item that stood out was the implication that nuclear energy was a categorical loser. It might well be, especially in light of the claimed toroidal free energy source. But why was no mention made of LFTR technology? Was it because all "nukes" are evil? If so, my opinion of this would have to take a turn toward doubt. If it is because of the overall package of still requiring long transmission lines and the like... that might be different. Why no mention of LENR? LFTR and LENR are not mainstream, but they are significant in terms of having earned consideration.

The bit on the "ruling families" and their instruments was good, but somewhat boiler plate. The elite are now pretty well rubbing their positions and power in our noses these days, so I no longer consider this sort of exposure to be risque in the least. It would not in the least surprise me to find that they want it "out there". Recall what it said in the film about the school system taking 12 years to develop the conditioned response to authority. Perhaps this is the extension of that conditioning to reinforce the response in adults. Not saying it is so, just asking what if it were.

I like the optimistic tone of the work, but also ask this: given the gray vision of the elite, the results of which have produced this lunatic asylum in which we all now live, how is it that this guy comes out of nowhere with this slick production with bunnies and light on the one hand for the salvation of man by technology (another premise I question, BTW), and a damning prosecution of the elite, yet he remains, apparently unsullied by these same devils who have brought to ruin all the others? Something in that arithmetic also seems a little off, though it might just be me over-thinking.

Could it be an element of controlled opposition? Things are so convoluted these days that little can be trusted at face value, so I would advise some caution if you intend on approaching these people. That was my first impulse... go running there and find out whom I might help along these lines... especially the energy bit. The packaging is slick and that is another aspect that raises a flag. Who is this man and whence came his money such that he is able to produce such a Hollywood show? He may be completely on the level, and heaven knows I hope he is, but what if he is not?

I would say a little more research is in order.

EDIT: http://thrivedebunked.wordpress.com/
I've not investigated this much at all - just tossing it in to provide another perspective.

 

[osan]

A very basic summary:

1. Starts out discussing free energy technology, the suppression of it and why. Touches on extraterrestrials.

Interesting, but nothing of demonstration offered that was convincing to me. Does the site show more than unsupported assertions? If this stuff works, I would like to build one and wave a middle finger at the energy companies.

2. Goes on to discuss the control of energy, food, media, education and the suppression of alternatives. Goes into great detail about who basically controls everything and how.

This part was very well done.

3. Talks about the basically complete and total tyranny we will live under if we don't stop it and gives a possible future if we do take action. How prosperous the world can be if we get out from under control of the Elite few.

Also well done, IMO... but to what end?

One place this documentary falls down badly is that they fail to address the issue of attitude and smarts. Education is addressed, but I do not recall there having been mention of the absolute need for a critical mass of the population to be on the ball in terms of smarts and attitude, though I did leave the room a couple times for tea. So if I missed it, I apologize in advance. But if not, why was so crucial a point missed?

4. Ends by outlining how we can take control from the Elite and by talking about Non Aggression and how if we all practiced it we can prosper and thrive.

Here there were some failures and some successes. Firstly, his assertions about Aikido were nonsense. I have studied jujutsu for 41 years and still counting. Aikido was Uyeshiba's vision of jujutsu. Uyeshiba was a tiger in his youth - a masterful practitioner of Daito Ryu (my school) aikijujutsu. He never would have called it "non-violent". In his decrepitude, Uyeshiba went all soft and started babbling about the bunnies and the light. This happens and I can actually understand why because it is in my nature to go there as well. But fantasy must always be tempered with reality and the heart of Aikido, which is aikijujutsu, is most certainly and decidedly not "non-violent". It is what my sensei, John Denora (RIP. try johndenora.com for more info) called "elegantly violent" and I have used that characterization as my standard ever since.

Also, he does NOT mention the NAP. I have written here before that the NAP is seriously flawed in its semantic detail and that the better term would be non-trespass or non-violation. The latter term is used in this documentary and it is excellent that he used it in preference to NAP. NVP is the better conceptual construct due to more appropriate semantics. Self-defense is aggression, yet it is perfectly legitimate because it is NOT violation. Words can be VERY important and this is an example of where they are. The non-violation principle, alternately the principle of non-trespass, is far and away superior to that of non-aggression in this particular application and IMO we should get the hell away from NAP and move smartly to NVP/NTP. The psychological effects of our choices of words can be subtle, yet very profound and in this case "aggression" is a poor choice to represent the concept in question.

I would also assess his call to withdraw from the system a great idea in principle, but how does one do it without starving, freezing, or being targeted by these madmen with guns?

Another failure I picked up on was the categorical call to remain non-violent. Meh... that fails in my book because when they start shooting at you I generally am of the mind that it is better to die on one's feet than on one's knees. I agree to avoid violence where it is reasonable to do so, but to go quietly into the night... hell no.

One other weird thing was the "it's not a Jewish conspiracy" deal. Why mention this? Why take the pains to underscore this? What is up with that?

 

[osan]

Yeah I know I've finally just decided to do what I've been wanting to do for years instead of finding excuses not to.

An English degree does not readily lead to PhD in physics. Not saying it cannot be done, but you will have to demonstrate some horsepower to be accepted into a program. Two of my degrees are in computer science (BS/MS) and getting into the PhD program was still tough. You might want to take a physics minor... or major in it with a minor in English. Then your MS, then on to the doctorate.

Also, be SURE that you love that thing a lot because a PhD is otherwise semi-worthless. I was in the PhD program at CUNY and left because I just did not want to devote that much of my life to an endeavor that was going to earn me no significant increase in income. Notice the lack of love. I've done the degree deal 7 times thus far and can tell you first hand that if it's money behind the push, you're wasting your time. You have to love what you study because it is a lot of work just to get it, a lot more to get it well, and no point in just squeaking by. In my opinion.

Oh, and the debt will kill you. Financially speaking, worst decision I ever made was to get the MBA. It may literally kill me in the coming two years. Don't ask.

 

[July]

Osan, I think a lot of these things you point out were attempts to appeal to a wide range of different groups and try to weave them together... Seemed to me the doc was meant to appeal to sort of occupy types, greens, libertarians, as well as truth, conspiracy, and conservative populist types...but it doesn't really focus on one particular angle, and leans more pacifist than NAP, in my opinion. I don't think it was strictly made as a libertarian doc or meant to soley express libertarian ideals, so I took it in that context.

As for aikido, I don't practice it, but I agree it was a little weird referring to a martial art as "non violent". But I took that segment to mean he was (awkwardly perhaps) trying to talk about the idea of movement and redirecting force, and used aikido as an example...but he doesn't scratch the surface and explain the implications of what that actually means, or how it would apply in a political context, etc. That's left for the audience to research and explore on their own, I suppose. The whole doc is kinda "top level" and "overview" covering a lot of ground but not going into a lot of background detail on each topic.

 

[John F Kennedy III]

Good overall video. I could do without the ET stuff at the beginning and the new age stuff at the end, but at least it's not overtly anti Christian like Zeitgeist. That said....I'm not sure why the producer didn't show his own implementation of a free energy device? I mean, if the free energy part is so important (and I think it is) why just talk about it? A Bedeni motor, for example, doesn't look that hard to build.



And JFK, why wait until you go get a PhD to build one of these things? If you can take a basic class in electronics at a community college and learn how to solder you should be able to build one. That's may plan. Learn how to build these things myself. Okay...so it's "suppressed technology". You certainly can't get a patent for any of this. But can you build one and sell it to other people over the net via bitcoins?

Edit: And for me the world's best website on free energy.

http://jnaudin.free.fr/
http://jnaudin.free.fr/html/qedynmnu.htm

I never said I'd wait until I had a PHD to build one of these I will definitely be heavily involved in free energy and a decentralized currency before then. The PHD is because I want to design and build spaceships. Ones that make the NASA space shuttle look like a Hot Wheels car.

I do need to learn how to build these free energy devices. Thanks for the video, I will show it to my friend. She has been researching them to find one to combine with Bitcoin mining.

You probably could sell them for Bitcoins. You can definitely mine Bitcoins with them. It could easily be something where each person gives this device to a friend/neighbor and let it spread like that

 

[John F Kennedy III]

An English degree does not readily lead to PhD in physics. Not saying it cannot be done, but you will have to demonstrate some horsepower to be accepted into a program. Two of my degrees are in computer science (BS/MS) and getting into the PhD program was still tough. You might want to take a physics minor... or major in it with a minor in English. Then your MS, then on to the doctorate.

Also, be SURE that you love that thing a lot because a PhD is otherwise semi-worthless. I was in the PhD program at CUNY and left because I just did not want to devote that much of my life to an endeavor that was going to earn me no significant increase in income. Notice the lack of love. I've done the degree deal 7 times thus far and can tell you first hand that if it's money behind the push, you're wasting your time. You have to love what you study because it is a lot of work just to get it, a lot more to get it well, and no point in just squeaking by. In my opinion.

Oh, and the debt will kill you. Financially speaking, worst decision I ever made was to get the MBA. It may literally kill me in the coming two years. Don't ask.

I intend to do the degrees seperately. I will have enough classes for physics to qualify. I do still need to make an education plan and figure out how to best accomplish this. It will certainly involve self teaching physics (since that is how you truly learn something in this system) and possibly test into some higher physics classes. I do sincerely love both things That's why I'm going for both. One of them being a Physics PHD with specialty in Astrophysics. I want to be a epic medieval fantasy and epic space opera (think George RR Martin and Peter F Hamilton) author and I want to design and build a whole new level of spaceship based on physics the mainstream still pretends is quackery. Plus I really, truly would love to know those physics. These are the two things that deep down I've wanted to do since I was a little child.

I won't ask. You should consider mining Bitcoin with a free energy device. My friend and I are working on a thread for it. That will likely be how I fund this outside of any aid I qualify for.

July seems to have answered your other posts well. You seem to want the doc to be 6 hours. I'd love a 3 part series, but most people have terribly short attention spans these days. A ton of info is presented in 2 hours. It's mentions their website as a research guide, but you can also do it independently.

 

[KerriAnn]

I am. However, that Wordpress site also discredits those that believe
in changing the system, so it's not exactly a reliable source. Blogs, like
scientific reports are just opinions. So before believing any
source of information a citizen must consider the source.

YES! Consider the source! The source of this film.... FOSTER GAMBLE?!?! seriously? You people know who he is right? Foster Gamble is the narrator and producer of this film, and the financial backer it seems as well. Last name Gamble... hmmmm..... ring any bells? Like Proctor and Gamble?

I have a hard time believing this guy is trying to wake us up. Probably more like he is hijacking our brains.

 

[KerriAnn]

And what's up with the movie poster? I'm not that into all the illuminati stuff, but holy shit...

 

[John F Kennedy III]

YES! Consider the source! The source of this film.... FOSTER GAMBLE?!?! seriously? You people know who he is right? Foster Gamble is the narrator and producer of this film, and the financial backer it seems as well. Last name Gamble... hmmmm..... ring any bells? Like Proctor and Gamble?

I have a hard time believing this guy is trying to wake us up. Probably more like he is hijacking our brains.

Guilty by association? I don't want you on my jury. He talks about Proctor and Gamble as being part of the problem in this film, which I highly recommend to you and everyone else.

Guilty by association isn't guilty.

 

[KerriAnn]

Guilty by association? I don't want you on my jury. He talks about Proctor and Gamble as being part of the problem in this film, which I highly recommend to you and everyone else.

Guilty by association isn't guilty.

Not condemning him automatically, but just alerting everyone to this fact. If you want a proper discussion about the film, you can't leave that out. Holy shit, it's kind of a big deal that the heir to Proctor and Gmable has made a movie like this. Why would the elite stand for such a thing? Why would they ALLOW one of their family members to produce and release a film like this?

 

[KerriAnn]

Just remember that the elite will control EVERY side of every war, and EVERY side of the conversation.

 

[Peace Piper]

At first I was all
Then I was all

I didn't say I believed it, did I Sherlock.

I said I thought it was interesting and I didn't believe 2 blokes with a string and boards did it in the middle of one night.

Pound sand. Or wheat fields. Whatever gets you off. Open minds my rear.