the sheeple still rate FDR #1 pres

[SooperDave]

brainwashed...pathetic. saw on aol

 

[ChaosControl]

They like locking up people into internment camps.
Racist scumbags.

 

[Fredom101]

Blame government schools.

Chinese students are not likely taught about the horrendous acts of Mao either.

 

[michaelwise]

Andrew Jackson is my favorite.

 

[Uncle Emanuel Watkins]

When we blame the people for being people, we tend to look extremist.

brainwashed...pathetic. saw on aol

People are never as stupid as we think they are.

 

[tremendoustie]

Sickening.

I don't think it's really because they support everything FDR did, it's because government schools indoctrination camps don't teach any actual history these days. FDR, to them, was the guy who won WW2 and fixed the great depression. That's all they know.

 

[Uncle Emanuel Watkins]

Sickening.

I don't think it's really because they support everything FDR did, it's because government schools indoctrination camps don't teach any actual history these days. FDR, to them, was the guy who won WW2 and fixed the great depression. That's all they know.

Just how did FDR not raise the wages of workers by hiring them away from the robber barons to work in Federal programs? Why did these former robber barons take FDR to court trying to stop his political methods? Why was it okay for the government to allocate the wealth that created the robber barons and then not okay for it to use wealth to help the poor workers?
I ask these question when it would be better for me to just let them eat their cake. In other words, I already have the greatest tyrant to ever live on my side in the person of Saul / of the chosen vessel Apostle Paul. According to his take on the situation, when people have a choice between becoming masters or remaining slaves, they are far better off choosing to remain the latter.
That should be a strong warning for anyone partaking in the over heated business of tyranny.

 

[james1906]

Sickening.

I don't think it's really because they support everything FDR did, it's because government schools indoctrination camps don't teach any actual history these days. FDR, to them, was the guy who won WW2 and fixed the great depression. That's all they know.

He saved us from the laissez-faire capitalism of the Roaring 20s!

 

[Uncle Emanuel Watkins]

Yes!

Andrew Jackson is my favorite.

Andrew Jackson led a contigent of Anglos, African Americans, and Native Americans against the British in Lousiana. He was victorious against far superior odds. Perhaps this battle more than any other helped convince the British that, culturally speaking, the United States was a lost hope. As acting president, the man was the first Abe Lincoln to save the Union. He was extremely popular.

 

[Uncle Emanuel Watkins]

He saved us from the laissez-faire capitalism of the Roaring 20s!

Pimping isn't the problem. It is the willingness of his whores to go along with his tyranny that is the problem. But as parents learn as responsible shepherds, we should expect to be treated with contempt and even hated at times by those we care for.

 

[Brooklyn Red Leg]

Had an argument with a Brit on another board who basically all but jizzed on himself about how FDR saved America. Witness....

Christov
The New Deal pulled the economy out of the shitter, gave the public a greater sense of financial security than ever before, legislated and regulated the financial system enough to stop boom and bust (until it was later systematically dismantled by successor Governments, resulting in our current catastrophic economy), and his plans for a second bill of rights were nothing short of revolutionary.

Brooklyn Red Leg
Are you fucking SHITTING ME? We had a fucking RECESSION in the middle of the Great Depression! Despite whatever you were taught, The Great Depression did not end until Harry Truman cut government spending and reduced taxes following the end of the 2nd World War.

BTW, the boom/bust cycle has NOT stopped and was NOT stopped by FDR. Its a result of the policies of The Federal Reserve System, Fractional Reserve Banking and Fiat Currency.

Christov
And the causes of such recession are widely disputed. Everything from cutting federal spending to the Federal Reserve tightening the money supply are blamed for this. One thing is definite about it though, it was a temporary recession buffeted by continual growth pre and post downturn, and by 1937 the private sector had grown to the levels they had reached before the Great Depression.

Brooklyn Red Leg
The Great Depression did not end until Harry Truman cut government spending and reduced taxes following the end of the 2nd World War.

Christov
Again, this is widely arguable because of a multitude of reasons. I've already stated that by 1937 the private sector was back to 1929 levels and continued to grow during World War 2, and some might even say the Great Depression was actually over in 1940, but the majority of growth post-war was not because of tax cuts or reduced spending, but instead because of Asia and Europe's decimated industry which allowed America to become the world's major manufacturer.

Of course the boom and bust system isn't gone, nor was it totally defeated by FDR, but the policies his Government put in place staved off major recessions until the point we are at now when most of such policies have been systematically dismantled in succeeding administrations.

And again, the causes of boom and bust are widely disputable, and I'm of the opinion that most recent examples of this type of economic failure have been caused by Corporatist monopolistic protectionism within both Government and the private sector itself.

This dumbass doesn't understand that FDR was the EPITOME of Corporatism in the 20th Century. No, to him, FDR was all about 'the little guy'.

 

[Austrian Econ Disciple]

Brooklyn you would have defeated him in the combat known as debatmanship if you had simply pointed out that unemployment levels from 1930 to 1941 never dropped below 15%, and indeed for all, but 2 years was above 20%. Ask him if he believes that GDP is an adequate measurement of an economy over unemployment and standard of living, and conversely if he says the former explain to him how inflation distorts GDP. All the evidence of inflation is in America's Great Depression by Rothbard. The Government actually increased the supply of money by over 30% by 1932, and then go on to show him Hoovers last statement about his futile attempts at Government spending to ail the economy.

Be armed with the truth and you shall cut down all your foes!

Oh, ask him about the depression of 1920.

 

[Brooklyn Red Leg]

Brooklyn you would have defeated him in the combat known as debatmanship if you had simply pointed out that employment levels from 1930 to 1941 never dropped below 15%, and indeed for all, but 2 years was above 20%. Ask him if he believes that GDP is an adequate measurement of an economy over unemployment and standard of living, and conversely if he says the former explain to him how inflation distorts GDP. All the evidence of inflation is in America's Great Depression by Rothbard. The Government actually increased the supply of money by over 30% by 1932, and then go on to show him Hoovers last statement about his futile attempts at Government spending to ail the economy.

Be armed with the truth and you shall cut down all your foes!

Oh, ask him about the depression of 1920.

Hehe, will do.

 

[Zippyjuan]

Presidents tend to get rated based on the size of the crisies they have to deal with. Survive a big crisis and you get ranked high. Don't have anything really major happen and get ignored. Have a crisis and don't deal with it well and get marked down.

On policy, you think a president did a good job if you agree with their political positions on things. An optomistic disposition helps too. Republicans are bigger on Reagan than Clinton and Democrats the other way around- even though in actual policy actions, Clinton was more conservative than Reagan was. It is mostly an emotional responce.

 

[Zippyjuan]

pointed out that employment levels from 1930 to 1941 never dropped below 15%, and indeed for all, but 2 years was above 20%.

Does this mean that 85% of people were out of work- or did you mean unemployment didn't drop below 15%?

 

[Austrian Econ Disciple]

Does this mean that 85% of people were out of work- or did you mean unemployment didn't drop below 15%?

My bad, thought I wrote unemployment. Yes, that is what I meant

 

[SooperDave]

Andrew Jackson is my favorite.

I believe he was the lowest ranked, lol

 

[biles1234]

To his credit, FDR, along with Reagan may have been the presidents that most prominently put their ideas into practice once they became elected. There's no doubt that FDR's legacy looms large today -- even if his ideas were based on crackpot Keynesian mythology

 

[Uriel999]

I believe he was the lowest ranked, lol

Wow, that is pathetic. He was definitely one of the best presidents this country had, and other than Tyler (Polk may have been a Jacksonian Democrat but he was inneffective), we haven't had a decent president since. My guess is the publik education system doesn't talk about him and how he saved the Union twice! Once from the British and once from itself. Damn society is retarded.

 

[tremendoustie]

Wow, that is pathetic. He was definitely one of the best presidents this country had, and other than Tyler (Polk may have been a Jacksonian Democrat but he was inneffective), we haven't had a decent president since. My guess is the publik education system doesn't talk about him and how he saved the Union twice! Once from the British and once from itself. Damn society is retarded.

I'm glad he fought the second fed, but he did a lot of other horrible things. Trail of tears comes to mind, as does the whole "how many divisions does the supreme court" have fiasco.