The Romney endorsement should have tipped us....

[Anti Federalist]

I thought Rand could survive the Romney endorsement, but I was wrong.

My mother, as an example, is intractable on that.

I was bent, but willing to shine it on as politics.

She won't even entertain a vote for Rand because of that.

 

[TaftFan]

That's nice, how long was Goldwater president again?

Ted Cruz is, for all intents and purposes, the current Barry Goldwater. And he may become President.

 

[Origanalist]

Ted Cruz is, for all intents and purposes, the current Barry Goldwater. And he may become President.

So Barry Goldwater was married to Goldman Sachs?

 

[r3volution 3.0]

So Barry Goldwater was married to Goldman Sachs?

...and never gave the slightest thought to reducing federal spending until his rival posted a budget, which he promptly stole?

 

[MaxPower]

Rand was doing exceedingly well for quite a while after the Romney endorsement. He was leading national preference polls for the Republican presidential nomination for substantial portions of 2013 and 2014. His decline this year has stemmed from a set of converging factors:

-The PATRIOT Act/NSA filibuster, which turned a great number of establishment security-hawk Republicans against him for good
-The heightened state of public fear and hawkishness brought on by the Islamic State
-Certain actions (signing the Iran letter, opposing the Iran deal) which alienated significant numbers of his anti-establishment, anti-war followers
-The crowded field distinguished by the emergence of several candidates (Trump, Sanders, Cruz) whose crossover appeal sapped support from Rand

 

[r3volution 3.0]

Rand was doing exceedingly well for quite a while after the Romney endorsement. He was leading national preference polls for the Republican presidential nomination for substantial portions of 2013 and 2014. His decline this year has stemmed from a set of converging factors:

-The PATRIOT Act/NSA filibuster, which turned a great number of establishment security-hawk Republicans against him for good
-The heightened state of public fear and hawkishness brought on by the Islamic State
-Certain actions (signing the Iran letter, opposing the Iran deal) which alienated significant numbers of his anti-establishment, anti-war followers
-The crowded field distinguished by the emergence of several candidates (Trump, Sanders, Cruz) whose crossover appeal sapped support from Rand

That's well put.

...in many ways, it's just the wrong cycle.

 

[hells_unicorn]

Ted Cruz is, for all intents and purposes, the current Barry Goldwater. And he may become President.

See Origanalist's and r3volution 3.0's comments regarding Cruz's parallel's with Goldwater. Furthermore, my question was how long was Goldwater president, the answer is never. Apply Goldwater's tenure as president to Cruz's so-called chances, and then likewise contemplate the rather frightening similarities that future president Hillary Clinton shares with Lyndon Johnson. Say hello to Vietnam 2.0 and lots more government control of the economy, all courtesy of Goldman Sachs, no less.

 

[r3volution 3.0]

contemplate the rather frightening similarities that future president Hillary Clinton shares with Lyndon Johnson

Indeed

Clinton Inc. is a slightly more subtle version of the Johnson machine (both responsible for multiple murders, one for a Presidential assassination).

Pretty terrifying.

About the only conceivable outcome yet more terrifying would be Trump; not his mob connections, not his leftism: rather, his straigjht up batshit insanity.

...but I digress.

 

[jmdrake]

Oh fiddlesticks! Rand did survive the Romney endorsement fine. Romney had already won the nomination. Ron had dropped out multiple times but kept fundraising. (I question the ethics of that.) People around here were in deep denial about that. And anyone who doesn't think the confederate flag is a symbol of slavery is an idiot. Yes it is a symbol of other things just like the swastika. To the Chinese members of the Falun Gong cult the swastika is a symbol of peace and harmony and love. To the Finns it was a sign of resistance to Stalinist aggression. Endorsing Mitch McConnell? Well that was questionable but understandable. Unlike Romney, Mitch had not locked up the nomination. But it was understandable Rand was in a lose / lose situation if he didn't endorse Mitch. If he didn't endorse Mitch and Mitch lost he would have lost someone who might have been a powerful ally being that both were from Kentucky and Mitch was the majority leader. The new majority leader, whoever that would have been, would have viewed Rand with suspicion. If he didn't endorse Mitch and Mitch won that would have been even worse for him.

Now let's talk about the Tom Cotton letter. This gets to the heart of Rand's problem. Rand got elected senator by a coalition of teocons (Sarah Palin supporters) and libertarians (Ron Paul supporters). The Tom Cotton letter was essential to keep the teocon support, though it hurt him with libertarians. What hurt him later with both was taking Mitch McConnell's side in his feud with Ted Cruz. That was stupid! He could have stayed out of that and should have. "Oh he was asked a question." Well Luke Rudowski asked him about Bilderberg too after Rand decided he no longer wanted to talk about that. You do not have to answer every question. Let's be honest. He answered it because Ted Cruz is a rival and he wanted to take him down a peg. He (Rand) miscalculated. It hurt him. That made Rand look like an establishment stooge. It just did. In a year when being an outsider was golden, Rand handed over his outsider credentials to someone else. Then he attacked Trump. That's okay, but he stupidly attacked Trump for being an outsider! That "Will Donald Trump pledge not to run third party" attack was not well thought out. It was the kind of attack that was lobbed at his dad. Sure, I can see Rand saying "Well others did this to my dad so I'll do it to Trump." He should have attacked Trump for supporting amnesty while being against it. He should have attacked Trump repeatedly on eminent domain. He should have attacked Trump on supporting the TARP bailout and for Trump getting bailed out himself 4 times! Good grief why does nobody attack Trump on that? Trump gets away with attacking McCain for being captured and Ben Carson for admitting to having a violent past, but nobody attacks Trump for being bad with money just because, thanks to his father's fortune and bankers willing to restructure his debt, he's made 2 billion when he could have made 8 billion? But no. Rand attacked Trump for insulting other politicians. Earth to Rand Paul. The rest of the country hates most politicians. Don't defend them.

/rant

 

[tod evans]

I larfed out loud.

I did too.

 

[Peace Piper]

There were other clues pre-Romney and Mcconnel.

Anyone that pals around with the likes of Benton and his gold watches and million dollar DC houses should be suspect.

His giving an "Ask Me Anything" to Galts Gulch of all places while, as far as I know has virtually ignored this place which is full of the brightest most creative and faithful people that have ever existed in politics was another clue that he is ... well... fill in the blank

Rand Paul 'Ask Me Anything' coming September 22nd to Galts Gulch Online
http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showth...g-coming-September-22nd-to-Galts-Gulch-Online

Not a single comment on that thread. Why can't people hold Rand accountable? Why is he treated like some kind of royalty, when his Father is the reason (almost) everyone is here?

 

[cajuncocoa]

I thought Rand could survive the Romney endorsement, but I was wrong.

He was surviving it...he was leading the polls all the way until, what? June of this year? That was when Trump made his anti-Mexican comments. Those kind of things (and war) tend to appeal to the GOP base....that's why I don't like to associate with them.

 

[CPUd]

It's not just Rand taking a hit, it's all but 3 or 4 campaigns:

NH is the most evenly distributed one right now, save for 1 particular campaign, but still rather ugly:

 

[RDM]

Ted Cruz is, for all intents and purposes, the current Barry Goldwater. And he may become President.

There is no way, a person with this many flip flops becomes President.

Ted Cruz’s 10 Biggest Flip Flops.
Liberty conservatives(dot)com/ted-cruzs-biggest-flip-flops/

Note: no space between Liberty & Conservatives.

 

[LibertyEagle]

Ted Cruz is, for all intents and purposes, the current Barry Goldwater. And he may become President.

Hardly.

Puke.

 

[LibertyEagle]

He was surviving it...he was leading the polls all the way until, what? June of this year? That was when Trump made his anti-Mexican comments. Those kind of things (and war) tend to appeal to the GOP base....that's why I don't like to associate with them.

His comment was about ILLEGAL ALIENS. Misconstruing people's statements is why I don't like to associate with "libertarians".

 

[cajuncocoa]

Ted Cruz is, for all intents and purposes, the current Barry Goldwater. And he may become President.

No.

 

[bronc_fan23]

Ted Cruz is, for all intents and purposes, the current Barry Goldwater. And he may become President.

God, I hope not.

His next event today, a fundraising luncheon in Manhattan hosted by several supporters, including the president of a cluster of super PACs backing his candidacy, Kellyanne Conway, and a managing partner of Goldman Sachs, is slated to begin at 12:30 p.m.,

http://www.nationalreview.com/article/428260/ted-cruz-skips-isis-hearing-fox-news-ny-fundraiser

 

[klamath]

Ted Cruz is, for all intents and purposes, the current Barry Goldwater. And he may become President.

If he is goldwater then expect the largest electoral loss in the last 70 years like goldwater

 

[r3volution 3.0]

His comment was about ILLEGAL ALIENS. Misconstruing people's statements is why I don't like to associate with "libertarians".

Which part of Trump's immigration plan do you like most?

...the part where he deports all illegals?

...or the part where he lets virtually all of them back in immediately?

...or perhaps the part where he played you all like fools? (see above)