the right to commit suicide is not a RIGHT! - everyone should understand this!

judejin

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rights come with life and end with life. when one commits suicide, one is terminating one's life and terminating his rights to life at the same time! so a hero who comes to save your life is NOT violating your right to commit suicide, a NON-right. rather, he's saving your life, restoring your rights to life at the same time. a saved person cannot go to a court to sue the hero! the court will throw out the case immediately. why? if not for the hero, you'll be a dead body! one has every right to handle one's body to the very point that one's life is not endangered. thus taking drugs and putting on tattoo are valid rights! but suicide is not! thus folks who are for euthanasia should not invoke the right to finish own life as the legit argument. since i can't find a legit reason to rationalize euthanasia without great conflicts of interests, i don't support euthanasia. this is all my essay is trying to say! please focus on my logic. i know you hate my conclusion. trying to prove that taking own life is a valid right first. i'm confident you can't! http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showth...nt-on-Ron-Paul-s-Pro-Life-and-Anti-Euthanasia


to clarify things, to my understanding
1. RIGHTS are everything one can do to himself or his property in order to LIVE without hurting others.

2. SUICIDE is to DIE. so suicide is NOT a RIGHT. suicide is self-destruction. that's why the hero saving someone's life against will is NOT violating his rights.

3. SUICIDE is NOT a CRIME, because suicide doesn't hurt other people. CRIME by definition is hurting others. that's why in modern days we never punish a person who failed a suicide.

4. SUICIDE is the only exception among all the things you can do. all the other actions are your rights, which can't be interfered by anyone. SUICIDE is something you can do to yourself, but it can be intervened by other people! that's why suiciders will always try to do it when nobody can stop him. you don't need to worry about other people stopping you reading a book?

5. SUICIDE is to DIE. so SUICIDE will terminate you and all of your rights at the same time. your properties will be passed onto other people. your body will be buried or burned. an action that terminates all rights cannot be a right logically. someone saving your life is restoring your life and restoring your rights at the same time. so it'll be absurd for you to charge the person for any damage. because if not for him, you'd already be terminated.

6. to die is to terminate someone's life and all of his rights. so a contract agreed upon willingly between two parties with one party set to kill the other party is a VOID contract. because the split second when the contract is executed, one party's life and rights are all terminated. so breaching the contract actually restore his life and his rights, while fulfilling the contract will terminate his life and all his rights. so what's the point of fulfilling the contract? anyone is free to stop the contract from executing. stop the contract from executing is saving the party to be killed!

7. if we agree to the above points that suicide is not a right with all its consequences and a contract for one party to kill another is a VOID contract. we should not invoke the non-existent right of suicide to rationalize euthanasia. we must come up with a better logic to prove euthanasia is rational especially when euthanasia involves other people to take one's life usually with a signed agreement.

i'm NOT a lawyer. i arrived at the above conclusions based on pure logic. let's have a meaningful discussion. please do not attack me personally.
 
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so you want to sue the person who saved you? the court will say: if not for the hero, you'll be carried here in a body bag. one can commit suicide when nobody is around to save you. the mission accomplished, you're dead. but as soon as some discovers you, he'll try to save you. from time immemorial, this is a heroic act. why? because savng your life is restoring all rights to life(excluding this non-right to kill oneself). basically you can't call a right to negate all rights a RIGHT. suicide is to negate all rights. thus suicide is not a RIGHT. well, i'm really dissapointed that very few people understand this.
 
you don't understand my logic. only focus on my conclusion. try to understand my logic first. suicide is to negate all rights(terminate life). thus it is not a right.
 
rights come with life and end with life. when one commits suicide, one is terminating one's life and terminating his rights to life at the same time! so a hero who comes to save your life is NOT violating your right to commit suicide, a NON-right.

Have you always been this stupid or are you just that poor at trolling?

I try so hard to be polite here, but every once in a while the combination of a rough day and the brand of inane drive witnessed here just puts me beyond grace.

rather, he's saving your life, restoring your rights to life at the same time. a saved person cannot go to a court to sue the hero! the court will throw out the case immediately. why? if not for the hero, you'll be a dead body! one has every right to handle one's body to the very point that one's life is not endangered. thus taking drugs and putting on tattoo are valid rights! but suicide is not! thus folks who are for euthanasia should not invoke the right to finish own life as the legit argument. since i can't find a legit reason to rationalize euthanasia without great conflicts of interests, i don't support euthanasia. this is all my essay is trying to say! please focus on my logic. i know you hate my conclusion. trying to prove that taking own life is a valid right first. i'm confident you can't! http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showth...nt-on-Ron-Paul-s-Pro-Life-and-Anti-Euthanasia

God, I pray to you that you put every obstacle in the way of this person to prevent them from reproducing because success at that endeavor would constitute a crime against humanity.

PS: if I am serious about suicide, there will be no hero saving me. But freakish thing happen and I promise you this: if I ever tried and you "saved" me, I would hunt you and kill you in the most horrifically and unspeakably gruesome manner imaginable and that is no joke.

Moral of the story: mind your own fucking business, asshole.

PPS: regarding the bold text, I meant that in the broad third person, not to the OP personally. Since some so thoroughly misread the general content of this post I felt the desire to clarify this point because it is the single one that is not 100% clear as to whom it speaks. It speaks to everyone, including myownself.
 
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Have you always been this stupid or are you just that poor at trolling?

I try so hard to be polite here, but every once in a while the combination of a rough day and the brand of inane drive witnessed here just puts me beyond grace.



God, I pray to you that you put every obstacle in the way of this person to prevent them from reproducing because success at that endeavor would constitute a crime against humanity.

Thread done.................
 
And just what do you propose to do to or for someone who violates his or her own right to life (by committing suicide)?

If the violation (suicide attempt) is successful, then:
(1) the violator is beyond any possibility of being held liable, and
(2) the violatee is beyond any possibility of retributive or restitutional justice.

Pontless assertion of rights is pointless ...
 
you don't understand my logic. only focus on my conclusion. try to understand my logic first. suicide is to negate all rights(terminate life). thus it is not a right.

SOO your right to stop making decisions ENDS when you commit suicide? So its still your right all the way up to the point you pull the trigger....

wait.. no that's wrong. You might miss. Then you have the right to try again, because you didn't commit suicide, you just committed an error.
 
Actually, F, they can.
I believe most if not all states have Good Samaritan laws now.

I don't think you can sue someone whose intentions only were to help. (even if they caused further damage) IIRC the laws were brought about because someone became paralyzed after being moved from a car crash? Something like that. A person who was injured was moved and it caused further injury. The judge threw the case out because the good Samaritan's intentions weren't malevolent.
 
Have you always been this stupid or are you just that poor at trolling?

I try so hard to be polite here, but every once in a while the combination of a rough day and the brand of inane drive witnessed here just puts me beyond grace.



God, I pray to you that you put every obstacle in the way of this person to prevent them from reproducing because success at that endeavor would constitute a crime against humanity.

PS: if I am serious about suicide, there will be no hero saving me. But freakish thing happen and I promise you this: if I ever tried and you "saved" me, I would hunt you and kill you in the most horrifically and unspeakably gruesome manner imaginable and that is no joke.

Moral of the story: mind your own fucking business, asshole.

That is absolutely terrible! Why would you kill someone for saving your life? That's called murder.

How do you reconcile this with your principles? Not only killing someone, but doing so with a vengeance and then disgracing their body in death simply because you are alive to do so because of them is just the most absurd violation of any libertarian principles I can think of. Not only that, but it's simply stupid. Who in the hell cares that much about dying that they would want to maul someone to death simply because they saved their life? Do the suicidal have no empathy for those who are not suicidal? Is life that terrible that you have to do unspeakable things to someone and kill them simply because they prolonged your life? Maybe they are an asshole, but do all assholes really deserve THAT?

If this is really what you believe, then you are the asshole, my friend. You are also the most arrogant piece of shit to ever grace the earth with your existence. God bless the soul that would even care to save such an asshole as you.
 
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As to the OP, euthanasia is compassion. I could care less if they call it a right, a privilege, a contract between two parties. I believe it is a right. My body, who are you to tell me what I can do with it? To open that door you are opening all kinds of other doors. Destroying one's body is done daily. People overeat. People drink. People smoke. People take harmful drugs. What right have you to prevent them from doing what they wish to do with their body?

It's a shame people neg repped you on what few posts you have. Here's a plus rep though I don't agree with your position. I am curious though, why is this issue so at heart with you? Euthanasia should be made legal with contracts written up to ensure validity in one's wishes but this issue doesn't even cross my mind in the scope of how far gone we are. (though it is a good example) You've obviously given it a lot of thought. Why?
 
I personally think it's ridiculous to sue someone who tried to save your life. Friends and family should be able to prevent you from harming yourself by any means possible, and it should not involve the state in any way. No laws should prohibit suicide, nor should any laws prohibit the prevention of it, nor should any legal action be taken against anyone who does so.

I'm not sure about euthanasia. There are some conflicts of interest there that muddy the waters. On the subject of suicide, however, nobody can feasibly be accused of wrondoing simply for preserving someone's life. If you wanted to die, why would you then demand money to live? To me, that's just the most selfish thing to think that you, only being alive because of the hero, can turn around and demand money from the hero even though you wouldn't have been able to sue him had you succeeded or he failed.

First, you were selfish enough to think that you had absolutely no obligation to keep living to your natural end, then you thought it prudent to harm someone else in life just because they allowed you to be alive in that time that you would have been dead? That is the most arrogant thing I can think of. If you are going to commit suicide, do so peacefully. If you fail, tough luck, but don't try to bring other people down with you by suing them for being alive. You can't have your cake and eat it, too.
 
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