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I dont think defeating the Govt should be a goal either, but this is my personal opinion.
I do believe that the Essence of Freedom comes from the Proper Limitation of Government.
People balance the powers of Governments when Governments are held accountable to the People. The Govt should also balance the powers of the People when People are held accountable to their Governments for the infringement of Rights against other People. Thus, both are needed to maintain a balance of Rights between Men.
A very common mistake that people make is the difference between a Right and a Permission. A Permission is the exact opposite of a Right. A permission is jurisdiction over another person where the decision to have or to not have is decided by those who claim jurisdiction. A Right is not a Permission that is granted by Govt. Rights exist because we exist. We do not ask for someone to Grant us the Right as the use of the word "Right" is incorrect in that Rights are NOT Granted to us by others. What we get are Permissions, and Permissions can be Revoked.
We conflict with each other as much as we conflict with Governments. And in pretty much each and every single case of conflict, a violation of a Mans Rights are the cause. Damage or Theft of Property or Self (includes Slavery), or by an Unjustified Restriction of Actions. Trying to make this as short as possible, I injure you, or I damage your property, possessions, or I try to impose any Restrictions on you that do not pertain to interactions with myself, my property, or my actions. It doesnt mean that the only solution is violence. I leave you and your stuff alone and you leave me and my stuff alone. It also doesnt mean that the only other solution is isolationism. This is also Key to understanding when Permissions are to be Granted. I do not have a Right to you or your stuff, however, you can give me Permissions. Thus, it is in your power to grant me Permissions in regards to you and your stuff. Almost all Human Conflicts occur because of a Violation of Rights. Thieves try to take property from others. Rapists and Murderers violate the concept of Self Ownership. But the one most people fail to recognize is Restriction of Actions. I say that you do not have the Right (ie Permission) to be granted by me to engage in an Action that does not affect me in any way shape or form. It would be no different than me trying to tell you that you are not allowed to work on your other neighbors lawnmower in exchange for what ever you get out of such a deal without including me in that deal.
And that is pretty much where we are at today. Eveyone claims to have jurisdiction over everyone else. Well now with Obamacare, I should have the Right to deprive you of your Permission to Smoke either Cigarettes or Marijuana, and it is my Right to tell you whether or not you can imbibe Alcohol, and it is my Right to tell you whether or not you may speak of the Lord Jesus Christ in any way that is determined by my discression (just an example, Im not really religious). In reality, I dont. I dont have ANY of those Rights. The ONLY Rights I have are in regards to me and my stuff. Wanna come over and have some drinks while we watch some TV? That IS a Permission that you and I can grant to each other. And it is also within our Rights to say NO to each other. No, you cant borrow my tools. We do have a Right to say that. No, you cant use your own tools. Neither of us have that Right.
All Mens Rights End where another Mans Rights Begin.
Really, this also means that I do not have any Right to tell you that you can or can not own a Gun. Or a Grenade Launcher. Or Fingernail Clippers. The only Right I do have is if at any time, you infringe upon me or my stuff. I dont have the Right to tell you what you can and can not do as that is a Permission, and your Ownership of Self is a Right that supercedes any Permissions that I may try to impose upon you when those Permissions pertain to anything that is not me or my stuff.
People many times want Anarchy because they recognize that their Rights are not being restricted, and Anarchy operates under the Illusion of Unlimited Rights. The truth is that what results from Anarchy is everyone claims to have Unlimited Rights over EVERYONE, which is also at an opposite end of the spectrum of actually having any Rights at all. That is my beef with Anarchy. But I called it an Illusion because I believe it is. I believe we already have Unlimited Rights, and by their nature can ONLY be applied to Self and Property. Thus, you have Unlimited Rights as well, in regards to yourself and your property. And both of our Rights End where the others Begin. We dont have Rights to each other or others stuff.
Explaining the Terms is not that difficult to do. At one extreme end of the Political Spectrum, we have Total Government. The Opposite End of the Spectrum is No Government, which is Anarchy. In regards to Rights and two simple ends of the Spectrum, we either have Rights, or we do not. Extreme Problems exist at both ends of both ends of Total or Total Absense of Government just as extreme problems exist when all people have Rights or all people do NOT.
For one Man to gain a Right that is not a Natural Right, another Man must LOSE that same Right.
This is the basic concept of Authority. I can tell you what to do, and you can not tell me what to do. Authority is also Subjective. If I come on to your property with your Permission, I effectively temporarily give up my Rights as I submit to your Authority because I am in your domain, your property. Thus, Authority is also transferred to me when I give someone permission to enter my domain. Our Authority over each other is Mutual and Accountable, and neither of us has more power over than the other. We do have the ability to get along just fine, and with Authority (authority of Self) without the need for Government if we can always show respect for the concepts of Rights and Permissions and what natural limits exist on those Rights and Permissions.
But people do not always agree. Rights and Permissions are not always respected. And the solution that many people cry for is to take away that persons Right even when the call to deprive another of their Rights is not within our power of Natural Rights. And it typically uses Govt as an Excuse. I need welfare so give me a percentage of your paycheck. If I came straight to you and claimed to have a Right to any portion of your paycheck, I'd be in jail. But if I went to the Govt and Govt took your paycheck, then gave it to me, that somehow makes the action justified? I say no to that as well, but that is what we have today. Everybody wants something for nothing. Well, at least too many people do which has created an unstatainable society.
Yet, it is exactly what all people call for. Ban all guns. It is beyond my Natural Rights to try to deny anyone gun ownership. Okay, dont ban guns but ban all Grenade Launchers. I can see why people dont want everyone owning a Grenade Launcher, but at the same time, it isnt their call to say whether someone else can or can not own a Grenade launcher. And going to Govt as a solution to the problem does nothing more than enables the ever growing and less and less sustainable big brother Govt. Using govt as an excuse to deprive anyone else of their paycheck, whether by quantity or by value is no more within my Natural Right than is to use Govt as an excuse to deprive anyone of their Right to own a Gun or Grenade Launcher.
Which ever way society ends up going, most of our problems will continue to result from our failures to respect the Limitations of our Unlimited Rights of Self because for other Mens Rights must exist for our own Rights to exist at all.
Balance.
I do believe that the Essence of Freedom comes from the Proper Limitation of Government.
People balance the powers of Governments when Governments are held accountable to the People. The Govt should also balance the powers of the People when People are held accountable to their Governments for the infringement of Rights against other People. Thus, both are needed to maintain a balance of Rights between Men.
A very common mistake that people make is the difference between a Right and a Permission. A Permission is the exact opposite of a Right. A permission is jurisdiction over another person where the decision to have or to not have is decided by those who claim jurisdiction. A Right is not a Permission that is granted by Govt. Rights exist because we exist. We do not ask for someone to Grant us the Right as the use of the word "Right" is incorrect in that Rights are NOT Granted to us by others. What we get are Permissions, and Permissions can be Revoked.
We conflict with each other as much as we conflict with Governments. And in pretty much each and every single case of conflict, a violation of a Mans Rights are the cause. Damage or Theft of Property or Self (includes Slavery), or by an Unjustified Restriction of Actions. Trying to make this as short as possible, I injure you, or I damage your property, possessions, or I try to impose any Restrictions on you that do not pertain to interactions with myself, my property, or my actions. It doesnt mean that the only solution is violence. I leave you and your stuff alone and you leave me and my stuff alone. It also doesnt mean that the only other solution is isolationism. This is also Key to understanding when Permissions are to be Granted. I do not have a Right to you or your stuff, however, you can give me Permissions. Thus, it is in your power to grant me Permissions in regards to you and your stuff. Almost all Human Conflicts occur because of a Violation of Rights. Thieves try to take property from others. Rapists and Murderers violate the concept of Self Ownership. But the one most people fail to recognize is Restriction of Actions. I say that you do not have the Right (ie Permission) to be granted by me to engage in an Action that does not affect me in any way shape or form. It would be no different than me trying to tell you that you are not allowed to work on your other neighbors lawnmower in exchange for what ever you get out of such a deal without including me in that deal.
And that is pretty much where we are at today. Eveyone claims to have jurisdiction over everyone else. Well now with Obamacare, I should have the Right to deprive you of your Permission to Smoke either Cigarettes or Marijuana, and it is my Right to tell you whether or not you can imbibe Alcohol, and it is my Right to tell you whether or not you may speak of the Lord Jesus Christ in any way that is determined by my discression (just an example, Im not really religious). In reality, I dont. I dont have ANY of those Rights. The ONLY Rights I have are in regards to me and my stuff. Wanna come over and have some drinks while we watch some TV? That IS a Permission that you and I can grant to each other. And it is also within our Rights to say NO to each other. No, you cant borrow my tools. We do have a Right to say that. No, you cant use your own tools. Neither of us have that Right.
All Mens Rights End where another Mans Rights Begin.
Really, this also means that I do not have any Right to tell you that you can or can not own a Gun. Or a Grenade Launcher. Or Fingernail Clippers. The only Right I do have is if at any time, you infringe upon me or my stuff. I dont have the Right to tell you what you can and can not do as that is a Permission, and your Ownership of Self is a Right that supercedes any Permissions that I may try to impose upon you when those Permissions pertain to anything that is not me or my stuff.
People many times want Anarchy because they recognize that their Rights are not being restricted, and Anarchy operates under the Illusion of Unlimited Rights. The truth is that what results from Anarchy is everyone claims to have Unlimited Rights over EVERYONE, which is also at an opposite end of the spectrum of actually having any Rights at all. That is my beef with Anarchy. But I called it an Illusion because I believe it is. I believe we already have Unlimited Rights, and by their nature can ONLY be applied to Self and Property. Thus, you have Unlimited Rights as well, in regards to yourself and your property. And both of our Rights End where the others Begin. We dont have Rights to each other or others stuff.
Explaining the Terms is not that difficult to do. At one extreme end of the Political Spectrum, we have Total Government. The Opposite End of the Spectrum is No Government, which is Anarchy. In regards to Rights and two simple ends of the Spectrum, we either have Rights, or we do not. Extreme Problems exist at both ends of both ends of Total or Total Absense of Government just as extreme problems exist when all people have Rights or all people do NOT.
For one Man to gain a Right that is not a Natural Right, another Man must LOSE that same Right.
This is the basic concept of Authority. I can tell you what to do, and you can not tell me what to do. Authority is also Subjective. If I come on to your property with your Permission, I effectively temporarily give up my Rights as I submit to your Authority because I am in your domain, your property. Thus, Authority is also transferred to me when I give someone permission to enter my domain. Our Authority over each other is Mutual and Accountable, and neither of us has more power over than the other. We do have the ability to get along just fine, and with Authority (authority of Self) without the need for Government if we can always show respect for the concepts of Rights and Permissions and what natural limits exist on those Rights and Permissions.
But people do not always agree. Rights and Permissions are not always respected. And the solution that many people cry for is to take away that persons Right even when the call to deprive another of their Rights is not within our power of Natural Rights. And it typically uses Govt as an Excuse. I need welfare so give me a percentage of your paycheck. If I came straight to you and claimed to have a Right to any portion of your paycheck, I'd be in jail. But if I went to the Govt and Govt took your paycheck, then gave it to me, that somehow makes the action justified? I say no to that as well, but that is what we have today. Everybody wants something for nothing. Well, at least too many people do which has created an unstatainable society.
Yet, it is exactly what all people call for. Ban all guns. It is beyond my Natural Rights to try to deny anyone gun ownership. Okay, dont ban guns but ban all Grenade Launchers. I can see why people dont want everyone owning a Grenade Launcher, but at the same time, it isnt their call to say whether someone else can or can not own a Grenade launcher. And going to Govt as a solution to the problem does nothing more than enables the ever growing and less and less sustainable big brother Govt. Using govt as an excuse to deprive anyone else of their paycheck, whether by quantity or by value is no more within my Natural Right than is to use Govt as an excuse to deprive anyone of their Right to own a Gun or Grenade Launcher.
Which ever way society ends up going, most of our problems will continue to result from our failures to respect the Limitations of our Unlimited Rights of Self because for other Mens Rights must exist for our own Rights to exist at all.
Balance.
