The Reluctant Case for Trump

Yes, Trump talks very militant. And I have little doubt that a Trump presidency would be very harsh on any in America who committed acts of violence against the American people.

But from a lot that he has said, I don't think that he would be inclined to expand America's military activities in the Middle East, or anywhere else. He doesn't want America to be an enemy of Russia. He doesn't want to engage in activities which could touch off WW3.

He talks tough in order to appeal to those in the GOP who are attracted to tough talk. But he's not a warmonger,....he's not a neocon.
 
Yes, Trump talks very militant. And I have little doubt that a Trump presidency would be very harsh on any in America who committed acts of violence against the American people.

But from a lot that he has said, I don't think that he would be inclined to expand America's military activities in the Middle East, or anywhere else. He doesn't want America to be an enemy of Russia. He doesn't want to engage in activities which could touch off WW3.

He talks tough in order to appeal to those in the GOP who are attracted to tough talk. But he's not a warmonger,....he's not a neocon.

His goal is singular, Make America Great Again, as opposed to the management of the U.S. vassal states.

The real reason why they hate Trump.
 
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The murder rate in Baltimore has skyrocketed since the police there have pulled back.
 
For sake of my own integrity, I will once again point to the thread Trump: The Useful Idiot.

I essentially make the same argument, but it is in a much clearer way.

Many get the impression from this thread that I am speaking favorably of Trump, and I am not. So, by all means...continue to discuss things on here. But also feel free to check out my other thread....the argument is much more clearly thought out.
 
Wake up man. Someone who we don't like is gonna win. Again. You don't have to vote for the lessor of two evils, but I would hope that you would prefer the lessor evil over the greater evil.

Not necessarily. There is a surprisingly large group of us here who, in the absence of an acceptable candidate, want the worst possible candidate so as to drum up backlash for the next election.

Example: I voted for Obama in 2012. In theory my vote is why Rand even had a chance at all this cycle.
 
god dammit forget the presidency.

Where are the slates for each state of assemblymen we can support, congress people we should be pushing?
 
Not necessarily. There is a surprisingly large group of us here who, in the absence of an acceptable candidate, want the worst possible candidate so as to drum up backlash for the next election.

Example: I voted for Obama in 2012. In theory my vote is why Rand even had a chance at all this cycle.

I agree with that, and that is actually the point that I was attempting to make with this somewhat self derailed thread. That is very clear in the useful idiot thread.

By speaking of the lessor evil, it includes the ramifications on our movement.

So in effect, we need to look for the "lessor evil", being, the best person to advance our goals (willingly or unwillingly) regardless of if they themselves are actually the most evil or not.

The ends justify the means when the means are out of your control.
 
What are you implying here? That people are embracing Trump as the result of grief, or that people are refusing to embrace Trump on account of grief?

People are starting to get to the point where they are accepting he is the guy and are probably going to vote for him. Maybe a bad analogy..
 
I'll never vote for Trump.

Me neither....but I'm seeing a lot more of these , "gosh...he might just win this".....followed by the inevitable "he's not as bad as X...." threads. lol.
 
Me neither....but I'm seeing a lot more of these , "gosh...he might just win this".....followed by the inevitable "he's not as bad as X...." threads. lol.
Yeah, I don't know what kind of brain damage is necessary to fail to see through his bullshit, bit whatever it is I don't have it.
 
I'll never vote for him.

But I'm really interested to see how his tone will change for the general election. He knows that he has to win independents and I will be really interested to hear his takedowns of Hillary.

I'm all for letting chaos reign.

With his Presidency it's also quite possible that Congress will suddenly remember that it's a co-equal branch of the executive.
 
Me neither....but I'm seeing a lot more of these , "gosh...he might just win this".....followed by the inevitable "he's not as bad as X...." threads. lol.

Yes, and the ranking of candidates from worse to less bad, the compare Trump to ___, and the "Trump is so bad I just might have to vote for him" threads.
 
I'll never vote for him.

But I'm really interested to see how his tone will change for the general election. He knows that he has to win independents and I will be really interested to hear his takedowns of Hillary.

I'm all for letting chaos reign.

With his Presidency it's also quite possible that Congress will suddenly remember that it's a co-equal branch of the executive.

I never voted for McCain or Romney. I will vote for Trump because he's the fly in the ointment. We need a villain or antihero to make the TPTB react. It's going to be fun to see what unfolds. Worst case, he screws everybody, which is what would have happened with Rubio or HRC. There is no losing here. We are playing essentially with house money. The Trump candidacy represents an active betting slip that you find on the floor of a casino.
 
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Let me start out with, Adolf Hitler is a narcissistic, power hungry, and vulgar man. He isn't rooted in German historical ideology. He isn't an avid reader of the Grundgesetz. He is not of the Volks Movement. I will not be voting for him, and I do not encourage you to either.

But allow me to go into a few reasons why Hitler can sometimes be right (for all the wrong reasons).

Foreign Policy. He is an Old School Napoleon on Foreign Policy. He is able to make the non-interventionist case like Ron and Rand never could. This is the biggest reason to take a second look at him.

Supreme Court. He offered two great Constitutionalists to replace Scalia. The only other person I trust with the Court appointment would be Ted Cruz.

Immigration. Let's be real, he is a dumbass and will try to build a wall. *facepalm*. But, consider this. He is actually quite serious about getting our border security under control. Expensive? Yes. Unrealistic? Yes. But at the end of the day, this is one of the few necessary functions of government. Maybe after he figures out how the real world works, he'll find a more realistic solution.

Government Spending. He has spoken about building ovens, the SS, and about eliminating entire Departments. That sounds pretty damn good to me. However, he is no penny pincher. He will spend excess money on other pet projects. We have to rely on the Riechstag to balence him out on this.

PC Culture. Oh my gosh, can you imagine the daily entertainment we'd get from Hitler trolling democrats. I get it, not presidential at all...but someone willing to drop the feign politeness and get a little dirty is healthy.

Flip Flopping. Yes, he used to be a Democrat. Yes, he is not to be trusted. But, remember that he changes that he made are in an anti-governmentary direction. Don't expect that to change...and if it does, Paul 2020 is on the horizon.

Bought. He truly isn't bought. Does that allow him to say some truly ridiculous things? Yea. I'm hoping that he is just appealing and pandering to the NASCAR voters...but there is a certain amount of respect you have to give a guy for being able to truthfully tell it like it is.

GOP. The Party absolutely hates him, and watching them squirm would be fun.

Lastly, if he loses...Liberty Candidates will have a great talking point in 2020. If he wins, then at least the criminal, the socialist, the Cuban Obama, the dynastic heir, the blue dog democrat, the liberty traitor, and the lazy doctor lose.

I'm still voting Paul in the Primary. But if the Hitler takes the nomination, I'll probably hold my nose, pop some popcorn, and strap in for an entertaining ride.

Thoughts?

FIFY
 
Notice I did not say I'd vote for him. I won't.

It's like watching the Superbowl. I hate both Teams pretty equally. But I'm gonna watch anyways for the Funny Commercials. I might even silently root for the team with the coolest jersey.

But neither team in the Superbowl is my Detroit Lions....and my Lions will probably not be in the Superbowl anytime soon.

But if the team with the coolest jersey wins, my Lions get 1st round draft pick. If they lose, we get nothing.

So, unless you know of a Sam Adams somewhere trying to water the tree of liberty....I'll have to stick to playing John Adams in the Continental Congress, fighting for Independence amongst a bunch of loyalists.


I love this analogy
 
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