The Reluctant Case for Trump

[NoOneButPaul]

It's just a weird username, "NoOneButPaul" meaning there is no 2nd choice.

It was created during the NOBP moneybomb in 2012. I don't see the need to change it despite my current opinion Trump is worth voting for. To me ganging up on my opinion due to my username is a bunch of a collectivist bullshit. I made the username 4 years ago when a totally different Paul was running. I had hoped it would apply to Rand as well in 2016 but he just didn't have it. In my opinion I shouldn't have to change my username of 4 years simply because I disagree with the way Rand ran his campaign and would like to vote for Trump now that Rand is out.

The idea I should have to keep my opinion in line with my username is ludicrious imo. I have the right to my opinion regardless of what my username is. I have been here for awhile and have the right to make my case for Trump if someone makes the thread for it. I literally have said nothing about supporting Trump until this thread which is nearly 3 weeks after Rand dropped out. I will change the picture as i've been too lazy to do so at this point but I will not change my opinion of anything because of a username I made 4 years ago.

 

[nikcers]

It was created during the NOBP moneybomb in 2012. I don't see the need to change it despite my current opinion Trump is worth voting for. To me ganging up on my opinion due to my username is a bunch of a collectivist bullshit. I made the username 4 years ago when a totally different Paul was running. I had hoped it would apply to Rand as well in 2016 but he just didn't have it. In my opinion I shouldn't have to change my username of 4 years simply because I disagree with the way Rand ran his campaign and would like to vote for Trump now that Rand is out.

The idea I should have to keep my opinion in line with my username is ludicrious imo. I have the right to my opinion regardless of what my username is. I have been here for awhile and have the right to make my case for Trump if someone makes the thread for it. I literally have said nothing about supporting Trump until this thread which is nearly 3 weeks after Rand dropped out. I will change the picture as i've been too lazy to do so at this point but I will not change my opinion of anything because of a username I made 4 years ago.

Well you don't have to, but smart people understand that Rand was our only shot. Trump is just a false choice.

 

[NoOneButPaul]

Well you don't have to, but smart people understand that Rand was our only shot. Trump is just a false choice.

You can keep repeating this all you want but still no one has bothered to argue the points i've stated.

Donald Trump has no political owners and because of this it makes him an actual wildcard this election season. It's my opinion people should strongly consider supporting him because of that. That is the basic premise of my entire argument and no one has said anything to refute it.

Smart people know Rand was the only choice? Maybe? But even if that was true does it change my original argument? Rand is done! Do smart people know that Rand is NO LONGER RUNNING? Do smart people know that it's retarded to stand on the sidelines and watch as Rubio, Cruz, or Bush wins the nomination? Do smart people have an opinion on the best course of action now that Rand is out? Or are all the "smart people" just cowering on the sidelines, again, patting themselves on the back as their country falls apart?

Rand is done. What is the next course of action? Again, it seems like the good lot of you hating on Trump think the answer is to do nothing and I cannot accept that. Like I said this is not a typical lesser of two evils situation because Trump is not Rubio or Cruz or Bush. What is the plan now? Trump is pretty much hated by every neocon out there, he's self financed, the liberal media hates him, he's not politically correct and doesn't care to be... I don't understand it? If this guy hadn't of run in the same election as Rand everyone here would be pointing all of this out and supporting him but because he crashed Rand's party for all of us he's the worst? It doesn't make any sense.

 

[Krugminator2]

You can keep repeating this all you want but still no one has bothered to argue the points i've stated.

Donald Trump has no political owners and because of this it makes him an actual wildcard this election season. It's my opinion people should strongly consider supporting him because of that. That is the basic premise of my entire argument and no one has said anything to refute it.

Rand is done. What is the next course of action? Again, it seems like the good lot of you hating on Trump think the answer is to do nothing and I cannot accept that. Like I said this is not a typical lesser of two evils situation because Trump is not Rubio or Cruz or Bush.

I don't see having "no political owners" as inherently a virtue. Trump has asked for donations and support from people like the Koch's. The Koch's have basically pledged that they won't support him. That isn't because Trump is so principled and because he can't be bought. It is because he is erratic and unprincipled. His only principle seems to be that he finds a way to be anti-freedom on almost every issue. I don't even want to take up the space listing all the issues.

All of the libertarians in Congress are either staying neutral or supporting Cruz. Labrador and Sanford have endorsed Cruz. Amash said Cruz was hands down the best person left in the race.

 

[Petar]

People are just jealous because non-libertarian, boisterous Trump has figured out how to piss off the establishment while maintaining popularity with the public.

Contrarians married to the idea of perpetual failure somehow feel that their lunch is being eaten.

 

[AuH20]

People are just jealous because non-libertarian, boisterous Trump has figured out how to piss off the establishment while maintaining popularity with the public.

Contrarians married to the idea of perpetual failure somehow feel that their lunch is being eaten.

That's part of it. Some are absolutists in regards to principle which I can understand. I have principles, but I'm aware that the entire system is predicated on personal benefit as opposed to principles. Some individuals are waiting for a fictional candidate to come along that will never be heard and accepted by 90% of the populace. Murray Rothbard spoke about this roadblock extensively when he advocated that a boisterous underdog candidate must outshout his detractors so he can talk directly to the people. Trump has mastered this strategy to an art-form.

 

[GunnyFreedom]

People are just jealous because non-libertarian, boisterous Trump has figured out how to piss off the establishment while maintaining popularity with the public.

Contrarians married to the idea of perpetual failure somehow feel that their lunch is being eaten.

It's not "contrarian" to oppose the guy who bought and corrupted the very same politicians we hate, it's principled. The real contrarians are the ones on their knees before Master Trump because he has sold them the Big Lie that the is anti establishment.

 

[P3ter_Griffin]

Sheldon Addelson could self finance. Wouldn't make the pig any prettier.

 

[AuH20]

Sheldon Addelson could self finance. Wouldn't make the pig any prettier.

But Sheldon Acheson hasn't been running in third parties for a few decades. That's the wildcard that Trump brings to the table.

 

[nikcers]

But Sheldon Acheson hasn't been running in third parties for a few decades. That's the wildcard that Trump brings to the table.

Seriously? Trump ran a serious 3rd party campaign? That was the reason why I was such a die hard Ron Paul supporter. What year did he run on a third party? What was his platform?

 

[AuH20]

Seriously? Trump ran a serious 3rd party campaign? That was the reason why I was such a die hard Ron Paul supporter. What year did he run on a third party? What was his platform?

Trump lost to Pat Buchanan in 1999 in a bid to capture the Reform Party nomination. There was an entire Donald Trump platform from that year online, but I can't find it right now.

 

[P3ter_Griffin]

But Sheldon Acheson hasn't been running in third parties for a few decades. That's the wildcard that Trump brings to the table.

I think the only wild card Trump has is that he's an unstable reactionary, one terrorist attack away from setting up camps and destroying religious liberty across the country. It would really pain me to endure four years of Trump democracy. He would be none better than any of the alternatives.

 

[nikcers]

I think the only wild card Trump has is that he's an unstable reactionary, one terrorist attack away from setting up camps and destroying religious liberty across the country. It would really pain me to endure four years of Trump democracy. He would be none better than any of the alternatives.

I have similar concerns, we know the establishment they are the enemy we know. Trump has been on so many sides to different issues, with Ron / Rand i could always pin point their stance on almost any issue. With Trump even on things he takes hard stances on he seems to argue both sides of the argument. It would be one thing if I could look at his reform platform and assume that his Republican platform is a Trojan, but I can't really find anything on that either.

 

[r3volution 3.0]

People are just jealous because non-libertarian, boisterous Trump has figured out how to piss off the establishment while maintaining popularity with the public.

Contrarians married to the idea of perpetual failure somehow feel that their lunch is being eaten.

Or it could be that we dislike Trump because he takes a radically anti-libertarian stance on virtually every issue.

 

[Libertas Aut Mortis]

Or it could be that we dislike Trump because he takes a radically anti-libertarian stance on virtually every issue.

Please look at my other thread "Trump: A Useful Idiot". I promise my point is more well made. I completely agree with you, and this thread was not very clear on my end...check out the other thread, and just let this one die.

Everytime this gets commented on, and not my clarifying thread....I feel the need to explain myself to people who misunderstood my intent. That is my fault. I've tried to fix it with the new thread....so I'd this interests you, go any comment on Trump:A Useful Idiot

Thanks

 

[P3ter_Griffin]

I have similar concerns, we know the establishment they are the enemy we know. Trump has been on so many sides to different issues, with Ron / Rand i could always pin point their stance on almost any issue. With Trump even on things he takes hard stances on he seems to argue both sides of the argument. It would be one thing if I could look at his reform platform and assume that his Republican platform is a Trojan, but I can't really find anything on that either.

I think his wild card is the only potential reason to support him. It's a bit fucking kookoo but has probably the greatest potential to effect people's desire for liberty and to harm their view on democratizing rights out of the remaining candidates.

 

[CPUd]

Fake Liberty Candidate Trump on Apple vs. FBI



Imagine what he would do in this situation if he had executive authority over the FBI.

 

[GunnyFreedom]

Looks like it's time to buy more Apple stuff. :-/

 

[nikcers]

I think his wild card is the only potential reason to support him. It's a bit fucking kookoo but has probably the greatest potential to effect people's desire for liberty and to harm their view on democratizing rights out of the remaining candidates.

Very optimistic way of putting it, at the very most he would break through the glass ceiling that non partisan candidates normally can't make it through with his platform though he is more likely to reinforce any entry level barrier if he fucks up. If aliens come to earth and want to speak to our leader, Trump is the last person I want in the hot seat. I certainly am not going to invest my time and effort hoping Trump won't fuck up.

The worst that can happen is we could lose our monetary economic status as a reserve currency. Right now this is up in the air as it is, John Kerry was saying just before we signed the Iran deal that this was on the table if we didn't sign the Iran deal. Trump is not a deal maker, I actually think he could ruin our deals that we have right now by pissing people off. This is where I am truly scared of a Trump presidency, because the economic collapse is near and he wants to bring back the 20th century rules of war.

 

[GunnyFreedom]

Fake Liberty Candidate Trump on Apple vs. FBI



Imagine what he would do in this situation if he had executive authority over the FBI.

And just like every other fascistic authoritarian piece of crap this malignant pumpkin has vomited up, his merry band of Trumpaloompas will go right on singing and dancing to the tune of this orange headed pied piper.