The Reluctant Case for Trump

[CPUd]

I had high expectations after reading your username, but I had to stop reading after the first sentence. You're talking about Rand Paul Right?

He was knocking Rand and talking about voting Trump months ago. I agree dude should get his username changed to No1butPaulExceptTrump

 

[nikcers]

He was knocking Rand and talking about voting Trump months ago.

I don't understand the username then, he should delete his account.

 

[Mani]

I'm pretty certain i'm going to vote for him and to all those who think that's insane I would simply ask... who else is better?

Ted Cruz is bought and paid for by Goldman Sachs. It's painfully obvious he's a stooge and was simply sent in to destroy Rand and co-op his message with a warhawk foreign policy.
Marco Rubio is the worst kind of neocon phony. He couldn't stink more of being a puppet.
Jeb Bush is literally the worst thing the country could do to itself.

From where i'm sitting Bernie Sanders is the only guy I would consider voting for over Trump for the simple fact neither candidate is owned by the Too Big to Fail banks. My only rational for voting for Sanders would be that it would no doubt speed up the complete collapse of the monetary system and would bring on THEE crash sooner rather than later - and it would happen with me getting free shit beforehand (yes, I know how bad that sounds coming from someone who has studied Austrian Econ, been around for awhile, and considers themselves a Ron Paul Republican but anyone here who is really paying attention to the dollar and the markets knows how bad things are going to get in the short term and how it will cause even worse results in the long term so grabbing whatever we can back before Bernie's socialist nightmare collapses isn't the worst idea for people like us because we'll go into it full well knowing where it ends up - the masses, however, would not - giving us the advantage when it finally did happen.)

Anyway, Trump is self made, self-financed, and would likely purge Washington of a lot of the garbage that's been built up there simply because of his authoritarian personality. Furthermore, I think Trump is actually the most likely candidate, besides Sanders, to avoid World War with Russia. I actually think Trump would be best at handling Putin over anyone else in the field on both sides.

As much as people here hate Trump, or want to hate on the Trump supporters here, I simply refer back to my original question: who is better? And, if at the end of the day, your answer is to not to vote than you're a coward in my frank opinion because you're simply letting much worse candidates like Jeb, Marco, or Hillary keep themselves in power by sitting over there on the sidelines. As for the lesser of two evils bullshit - I don't want to hear it. We aren't talking about Cruz vs Rubio vs Bush - with Trump in play were talking about a GIGANTIC Wildcard Presidency and the fact everyone is going to sit here and ignore that, even if he's not a libertarian or liberty minded, is pretty interesting and makes one wonder what the hell would get any of you ultra-contrarian libertines off your asses to vote for anyone? Do you really not see there's a huge difference with Trump in play?

Bottom line to me is this isn't your normal lesser of two evils situation like with Romney vs Obama or McCain vs Obama or Kerry vs Bush or Bush vs Gore. I also think that if he's elected he would do everything in his power to be a great President simply because his ego wouldn't be able to take anything less.
I'm not going to sit here and say the results would be totally great for liberty minded people but I am sitting here saying the results of his Presidency would likely be his and his alone and there isn't another candidate in this race you can say that about. In fact, excluding Ron Paul, you haven't been able to say that about any candidate since Ross Perot. Also, even in the case of Ron Paul he wasn't filthy rich and he did actually have major donors to his campaign - Trump is different in both regards. A libertine? No. But the same lesser candidate as usual? I seriously doubt it.

Does no one else find it odd that Bill Kristol hates him so much? That the media has obviously tried to tell half truth after half truth to stop him? Does no one see the similarities between how much the NeoCons and Media hate Trump? This guy is obviously an immense wildcard and I personally believe his life is on the line by playing in these people's worlds and he doesn't even know it because he has now idea how truly fucked up it all is.

I will gladly vote for Trump for all these reasons and truth be told I wasn't going to bother saying anything about it, and probably won't from this point forward, but someone had to make the thread so there it is. I'm supporting Trump and my suggestion is you do the same. It won't be perfect but it's definitely a wildcard.

How about NoOneButPaul? :o

 

[LibertyEagle]

Why not just vote for Bernie Sanders then? Sanders is anti establishment and agrees with Trump's support for a single payer healthcare system and Obama's stimulus bill.

Trump is not for single-payer.

 

[LibertyEagle]

Rand did not propose a ban on immigration from majority Muslim nations. Rand proposed a ban on immigration from any country known to the US State Department to harbor support or export terrorism. Rand's proposal never mentioned Muslims of any kind, not even by insinuation.

I would disagree with that.

Who are the countries that harbor terrorism? The ones that I can think of are largely Muslim countries.

 

[CPUd]

 

[r3volution 3.0]

Have I already said fuck no?

...there's one of these threads every week, I can't keep track of them all.

So, fuck no.

 

[AuH20]

Lew just posted this on his facebook.

Lew Rockwell
8 hrs ·

Media types keep comparing Trump’s remarks on W’s lies, and his criminal anti-Iraq war, to Ron Paul. Twice on Morning Joe today, once praising Ron and once criticizing him. Isn’t it sad that no one would ever bring up Rand in this context? His non-interventionism was nuanced out of existence so as not to offend the neocons, and to make him, we were assured, more electable. In fact, Ron’s greater political success in 2008 and 2012, let alone Trump’s on the issue now, is due to telling the truth. I do not mean to compare Ron, the great antiwar public intellectual, to Trump, of course. But in this race, the guy closest to non-interventionism has always been Trump.

 

[nikcers]

Lew just posted this on his facebook.

I guess Ron Paul is wrong when he says that Trump is the opposite.

 

[r3volution 3.0]

Lew just posted this on his facebook.

Media types keep comparing Trump’s remarks on W’s lies, and his criminal anti-Iraq war, to Ron Paul. Twice on Morning Joe today, once praising Ron and once criticizing him. Isn’t it sad that no one would ever bring up Rand in this context? His non-interventionism was nuanced out of existence so as not to offend the neocons, and to make him, we were assured, more electable. In fact, Ron’s greater political success in 2008 and 2012, let alone Trump’s on the issue now, is due to telling the truth. I do not mean to compare Ron, the great antiwar public intellectual, to Trump, of course. But in this race, the guy closest to non-interventionism has always been Trump.

That's what you call a backhanded compliment,

...actually, not even that. That's a straight up attack.

Lew Rockwell thinks Trump is closer to libertarianism than Rand?

Well, that simply discredits Lew.

(not that he needed any discrediting for those of us who are paying attention; Lew, you white nationalist, fake libertarian scum, Murray is spinning is his fucking grave)

So, fuck you Lew.

 

[Origanalist]

Lew just posted this on his facebook.

It sounds like he's making a "reluctant case for Trump". Snort

 

[ProBlue33]

This is getting interesting, Trumps coalition of support containing the likes of Matt Drudge, Lew Rockwell & Alex Jones reminds me of how Ron Paul grabbed support from all across the board in his 2 runs.

Plus there was this.....

Nearly 20 percent of Democrats would leave the party and vote for Republican Donald Trump in a match-up against Hillary Clinton, according to a new poll.

 

[CPUd]

This is getting interesting, Trumps coalition of support containing the likes of Matt Drudge, Lew Rockwell & Alex Jones reminds me of how Ron Paul grabbed support from all across the board in his 2 runs.

Plus there was this.....

Yeah, and 30-60% of GOP will stay home or cross over to the Democrats

 

[GunnyFreedom]

Rand did not propose a ban on immigration from majority Muslim nations. Rand proposed a ban on immigration from any country known to the US State Department to harbor support or export terrorism. Rand's proposal never mentioned Muslims of any kind, not even by insinuation.

I would disagree with that.

Who are the countries that harbor terrorism? The ones that I can think of are largely Muslim countries.

Quote Rand Paul's bill where he ever mentioned "Muslims."

Rand Paul's immigration moratorium focuses on the US State Department list of designated nations known to harbor, sponsor, and export terror. Full stop. There are several countries designated that are not Muslim, and there are several Muslim nations that are not designated.

Rand Paul is doing it right. You and Trump are doing it wrong. Now you want to pretend that Rand is doing something he's not to try and justify your backwards and broken way of thinking?

Frankly, I'm not surprised. You are the one, after all, who claims that I support an Article V Convention. You still haven't found any evidence of that yet have you? Huh. Wonder why not.

 

[JohnM]

I give up.

I spent 4 pages attempting to get people to understand that I'm talking about Old School, using your enemy to your advantage/losing the battle to win the war.....but everyone just wants to get in a pissing match about the quality and purity of the 2016 field.

You plain missed my point, over and over.

Everyone has an opinion, but no one wants to read the thread to find out the questions presented.

Fine, whatever. Stay stuck in the wonderful world of 2016. I'll find a group somewhere willing to plan 2020.

You must spread some reputation around ...

I read through this threat (OK, not every word) with interest.

The opening post was thoughtful and interesting. You responded patiently to those who disagreed, and kept on topic.

 

[NoOneButPaul]

He was knocking Rand and talking about voting Trump months ago. I agree dude should get his username changed to No1butPaulExceptTrump

No I wasnt. I was talking about how terrible a campaign Rand was running and the fact he couldn't even get out of Iowa proved me right. Trump was always my second choice and if Rand hadn't of done such a terrible job campaigning I could still be supporting him. If you guys would like to waste your vote writing in Ron Paul for the 3rd time go right ahead.

All you guys can do is attack because there's no counter point to anything I said.

I went to Iowa and campaigned for Ron in both 2008 and 2012. I'm literally staring at a bookshelf with nearly 30 Austrian Econ books from Mises to Schiff, I have based my entire lifestyle and career on what I learned in 2008 and 2012, i'm not some Trump supporter that just made a username and decided to come here and spam for him. I made the username in 2012 when supporting Ron. I wish Rand had actually stuck to the message instead of turning into a watered down half version of his dad. The bottom line is he picked a strategy that was a colossal failure and his campaign is now done because of it. Deny that all you want but it's the truth. I wish he had done better but he played his cards terribly.

You guys are free to hate on Trump all you want but that's all you can do because there's no one willing to address anything I wrote. You guys want to live as cowards, go right ahead. There's a great wildcard factor with Trump that this country hasn't had in over 20 years and if you want to deny that fine. I personally could care less because it just proves my point the good lot of you are nothing but ultra contrarians that wouldn't support anyone that's remotely popular.

 

[AuH20]

No I wasnt. I was talking about how terrible a campaign Rand was running and the fact he couldn't even get out of Iowa proved me right. Trump was always my second choice and if Rand hadn't of done such a terrible job campaigning I could still be supporting him. If you guys would like to waste your vote writing in Ron Paul for the 3rd time go right ahead.

All you guys can do is attack because there's no counter point to anything I said.

I went to Iowa and campaigned for Ron in both 2008 and 2012. I've read more Austrian Econ books than anyone here, I have based my entire lifestyle and career on what I learned in 2008 and 2012. I made the username in 2012 when supporting Ron. I wish Rand had actually stuck to the message instead of turning into a watered down half version of his dad. The bottom line is he picked a strategy that was a colossal failure and his campaign is now done because of it.

You guys are free to hate on Trump all you want but that's all you can do because there's no one willing to address anything I wrote. You guys want to live as cowards, go right ahead. There's a great wildcard factor with Trump that this country hasn't had in over 20 years and if you want to deny that fine. I personally could care less because it just proves my point the good lot of you are nothing but ultra contrarians that wouldn't support anyone that's remotely popular.

I agree with you. Rand ran a horrid campaign (considering his political potential) and then some of his advisers blamed external factors, which was largely passing the buck. Regarding Trump, I think the country is basically gone due to the rotted fabric that makes up American Society, but I still believe Trump can demolish the phony left right paradigm of dominance. We need more and more people pulling their consent & exploring other options.

 

[RonPaulMall]

That's what you call a backhanded compliment,

...actually, not even that. That's a straight up attack.

Lew Rockwell thinks Trump is closer to libertarianism than Rand?

Well, that simply discredits Lew.

All he said in that quote is that Trump was more non-interventionist. Paying lip service to neocon talking points was just one of the more damning mistakes Rand made in his campaign. The neocons were always going to be against him in the end anyway. Don't know why he tried appeasing them. Trump's non-interventionism hasn't hurt him at all among rank and file Republican voters, and it is one of the chief reasons he is drawing so much support from former Ron Paul voters.

(not that he needed any discrediting for those of us who are paying attention; Lew, you white nationalist, fake libertarian scum, Murray is spinning is his fucking grave)

So, fuck you Lew.

Murray supported Pat Buchanan in 1992. Also,

It is true that, in the long run, we will never be free until the intellectuals–the natural molders of public opinions–have been converted to the side of freedom. In the short run, however, the only route to liberty is by an appeal to the masses over the heads of the State and its intellectual bodyguard. And this appeal can be made most effectively by the demagogue–the rough, unpolished man of the people, who can present the truth in simple, effective, yes emotional, language. The intellectuals see this clearly, and this is why they constantly attack every indication of libertarian demagoguery as part of a “rising tide of anti-intellectualism.” Of course, it is not anti-intellectualism; it is the saving of mankind from those intellectuals who have betrayed the intellect itself.

-Murray Rothbard

 

[CPUd]

No I wasnt. I was talking about how terrible a campaign Rand was running and the fact he couldn't even get out of Iowa proved me right. Trump was always my second choice and if Rand hadn't of done such a terrible job campaigning I could still be supporting him. If you guys would like to waste your vote writing in Ron Paul for the 3rd time go right ahead.

All you guys can do is attack because there's no counter point to anything I said.

I went to Iowa and campaigned for Ron in both 2008 and 2012. I'm literally staring at a bookshelf with nearly 30 Austrian Econ books from Mises to Schiff, I have based my entire lifestyle and career on what I learned in 2008 and 2012, i'm not some Trump supporter that just made a username and decided to come here and spam for him. I made the username in 2012 when supporting Ron. I wish Rand had actually stuck to the message instead of turning into a watered down half version of his dad. The bottom line is he picked a strategy that was a colossal failure and his campaign is now done because of it. Deny that all you want but it's the truth. I wish he had done better but he played his cards terribly.

You guys are free to hate on Trump all you want but that's all you can do because there's no one willing to address anything I wrote. You guys want to live as cowards, go right ahead. There's a great wildcard factor with Trump that this country hasn't had in over 20 years and if you want to deny that fine. I personally could care less because it just proves my point the good lot of you are nothing but ultra contrarians that wouldn't support anyone that's remotely popular.

"anything I wrote" all boils down to "I'm voting for Trump because, who's better?" This is what people said in 2012 when they were pumping Gary or even Mitt. And they got run out on a rail, so you Trump supporters are fortunate in that regard, you have safe refuge here in the 2016 forum. You should change your username, or at least change your avatar until election season is over.

 

[Mani]

No I wasnt. I was talking about how terrible a campaign Rand was running and the fact he couldn't even get out of Iowa proved me right. Trump was always my second choice and if Rand hadn't of done such a terrible job campaigning I could still be supporting him. If you guys would like to waste your vote writing in Ron Paul for the 3rd time go right ahead.

All you guys can do is attack because there's no counter point to anything I said.

I went to Iowa and campaigned for Ron in both 2008 and 2012. I'm literally staring at a bookshelf with nearly 30 Austrian Econ books from Mises to Schiff, I have based my entire lifestyle and career on what I learned in 2008 and 2012, i'm not some Trump supporter that just made a username and decided to come here and spam for him. I made the username in 2012 when supporting Ron. I wish Rand had actually stuck to the message instead of turning into a watered down half version of his dad. The bottom line is he picked a strategy that was a colossal failure and his campaign is now done because of it. Deny that all you want but it's the truth. I wish he had done better but he played his cards terribly.

You guys are free to hate on Trump all you want but that's all you can do because there's no one willing to address anything I wrote. You guys want to live as cowards, go right ahead. There's a great wildcard factor with Trump that this country hasn't had in over 20 years and if you want to deny that fine. I personally could care less because it just proves my point the good lot of you are nothing but ultra contrarians that wouldn't support anyone that's remotely popular.

It's just a weird username, "NoOneButPaul" meaning there is no 2nd choice.