The Problems Oklahoma Dealt With from the Ron Paul Campaign State Coordinator

Are you a professional video editor? There is like 35 hours of video that needs a lower third, cropping/zooming, etc.

Not a video editor by trade, but I have done some green/blue screen work, etc...for my own benefit, I think I can handle zooms and crops. Besides, only want the part that tells us all how it went down, as you stated was there.
 
Are you a professional video editor? There is like 35 hours of video that needs a lower third, cropping/zooming, etc.

I think ClydeCoulter would be great at this. After all, he's up as Ron's VP candidate for write in candidacy in California.
 
To put this in context....

Many in the Oklahoma grassroots didn't want to work with the Campaign. I specifically reached out to some of the leaders early on and they absolutely told me they didn't want anything to do with the Campaign.

That's firsthand from me.

So now, is it any wonder why the Campaign may or may not have been leery about who became a delegate from Oklahoma?

Do you know the reason for this? It was because the person(s) who were representing the campaign in Oklahoma (or would be representing the campaign) were not good choices. As I and many other leaders from Oklahoma would tell you, any one of us would have stepped up to the plate to be the state coordinator for Oklahoma. When someone was put in place who did not truly stand for liberty, we're just supposed to shut up and be quiet? I don't think so. I know every one of the "leaders" in Oklahoma's grassroots movement. I'm not saying something that is just this crazy idea. No, we all were more than ready to be the campaign and work with the campaign, but Mr. Gerhart made it so that we could not.

As a matter of fact, our grassroots "organization" which had been set up to be the campaign in Oklahoma, was shut down when the official campaign came in via Mr. Gerhart, because we were willing to try to work with the campaign and work together. But, Mr. Gerhart made that impossible to do.

Those who became delegates for Ron Paul in Oklahoma were extremely trustworthy individuals in the liberty movement in Oklahoma. Our entire goal in Oklahoma was to win delegates for Dr. Paul. When I (who had an official volunteer position with the campaign), was actively being told things that would make us NOT win delegates, I had to move on and do what any person would have to do - coordinate, plan and organize so that we could win.

It would be nice if the campaign actually talked to those who were actively involved in some "leadership" type of positions (I could give you the names of all of them), instead of spreading things about Oklahoma that aren't true.
 
Here is a rather lengthy post from Al Gerhart giving his side:

http://www.dailypaul.com//256960/what-really-happened-in-oklahoma

"Educated Ron Paul supporters" (self given description) comment without even reading topic they comment about lol... I read both side of this story. I wrote/rant about "lack of communication" on RPF-s almost a year ago and then I gave up...

-It is obvious that some people in the grassroots didnt wanted Al as campaign manager and they acted on it from the first day. I cant even express how baffled (and many more things) I am that some people in the grassroots went against official campaign from the start. "Your choice is bad put person that we want or...!?" It is obvious that Al is involved with C4L and activism for a long time and that people in national campaign know him...Al Gerhart is aggressive and rude person. Yes, probably...
-"Q Fish religion." I watched their live streams and they look like nice people. Problem is that on web page of their church there is picture "Jesus did 9-11" and calling every Christian religion wrong (name of Satan was mentioned) except their own. It is sad reality but I understand why Al didnt wanted them as delegates and didnt wanted Ron Paul connected with their church. I am sorry but that is reality of politics. Appearance of things. Like it or not it was his job to vet the delegates.
-"Legal stuff". I read FEC rules (was curious) and I understand that official campaign couldnt coordinate with "grassroots" because grassroots went and organized on their own. Grassroots screwed here big time.
-Presenting flower incident?;?K;$=)("=)P")?% ffs
This was such a mess and power struggle that it baffling.

QFish is it true that after Ron Pauls speech you gave contact information of those who visited his speech to "some people in grassroots" instead to official campaign?
 
QFish is it true that after Ron Pauls speech you gave contact information of those who visited his speech to "some people in grassroots" instead to official campaign?

No, because there was never a contact sheet there at the campaign table for anyone to sign up on. I ran the official campaign table the entire rally with the help of some others.
 
Matt, I would very much like to know who you contacted and when. It certainly wasn't me, and I was very involved all of this year in the Oklahoma City / Oklahoma County area. You could safely call me one of the grassroots leaders here, but that only occurred by necessity and was not planned. Quite frankly, it resulted in significant hardship for my family, although I would gladly do it again, and my wife would be more supportive now, after we have gone through it all, than she was during these events.

Lets clear something up. Gerhart was appointed in the last week or so of January. I'm not sure exactly when, since we never saw any official announcement by the campaign but just read about it in a few online blogs. Call it January 18th, or about then. The "grassroots" activity in OKC at that time consisted of putting signs out, having sign waves, and getting ready for the county-wide precinct meeting on February 6th (Reagan's birthday). We called our friends and asked them to show up for this meeting, and organized a sign in table, as well as made sure our people took pictures of their precinct documents. It was because of doing these two things that we were aware of exactly who attended the precinct meeting, and were able to fight the credentials report at the County Convention. The campaign was not involved with this at all. There was absolutely no direction or contact from the campaign prior to the precinct meeting. As a Precinct Chairman, I worked on organizing this effort with many others.

After the Feb. 6th Precinct Meeting, which was a Monday, we (a few grassroots people, maybe 8-10 of us) had an informal meeting to discuss what we should be doing. Many were trying to volunteer and all of us were encouraging that. Again, there was no direction from the campaign so people just kept putting signs out and doing sign waves. Some of us, such as myself, began to refresh ourselves on the Rules of the Republican Party and Robert's Rules of Order. We also made a decision, announced on February 23rd, that any grassroots activity would be under the leadership of the campaign going forward. This took some time to announce, since it was not one group but many groups and people who had to agree to this. Within a very short time - March 2nd to be exact - Gerhart went after two different women who hold offices within the GOP, and gave RP a black eye in the press. This is when some of us withdrew our support of him and asked - repeatedly - for National to do something. Letters were written, calls were made, and nothing was done. These efforts were kept private, and not publicized, in order to not hurt the campaign.

The day after the threats was the Oklahoma County Convention (March 3rd). There is a long story to tell about what happened this day, but needless to say what Gerhart says is not what happened. Friends of mine took pictures of their precinct documents. More friends of mine manned a table at the OK County Precinct meeting (people not acting on orders or affiliated with the national campaign, who should have been doing this). I personally obtained the "official" list of delegates, which was posted on the wall of GOP HQ (took pictures with my cell phone). I then matched all of these lists up, so I knew who was friend, foe, and in the middle. I also knew exactly how many people were left out, and I knew what the proposed rules for the Convention were going to be. Based on all of this, some of us decided to be ready to act if needed to ensure a fair convention. We were successful in half of what we attempted, in spite of the antics of Gerhart. I will give a very detailed account of this day in the not too distant future, but that is the gist of the day. This was a Saturday, by the way.

Super Tuesday was the following Tuesday, March 6th. It was a bad day for Ron Paul in Oklahoma, since he received less than 10% of the vote. This meant he qualified for ZERO national delegates from our state. There were no other actions to be taken on his behalf with the exception of winning Delegates at the District and State Conventions. This is what all of us set out to do, and we were very successful.

To say we sabotaged the efforts in Oklahoma is ridiculous. We won 60% of the National Delegates elected at Congressional Districts, and 83% of the Alternates (9 and 12, respectively). That means we SWEPT 3 out of 5 of those Conventions. In the other two, we lost the 1st district due to cheating (which we attempted to challenge) and the 2nd by TWO VOTES. At the State Convention, we had a majority for the 1st, 2nd, and 3rd Credentials Reports. We did not for the 4th one - and the only ones legitimately adopted by the Convention were the first two. Otherwise, we would have had 25 delegates and alternates to go along with the 9 delegates and 12 alternates we had already won - for a total of 35 of 43 delegates from Oklahoma. All of this was done not only without the help of the national campaign and the state coordinaotr but with his direct efforts to stop us. To have an attorney from the campaign, or an official representative from the campaign at our convention from outside the state would have lent credibility and perhaps prevented some of the cheating that occurred. The Romney campaign had people there, watching everything.

This brings us to the Challenge. We - that is, a group of people not affiliated with any campaign officially but Ron Paul supporters unofficially - used our own time, money and other resources to challenge the results of our convention. You can read about it at www.okliberty.com. Again, we received no help EVEN WHEN WE ASKED FOR IT from the national campaign. We had a legitimate complaint, and should have won our case, but the deck was stacked. This chapter of things is a giant story unto itself, so I'll leave it at that, but will be posting about it down the road - namely, after the election when I have time.

On what basis should I trust the campaign? Based on this track record? Are you crazy, or stupid?
 
No, because there was never a contact sheet there at the campaign table for anyone to sign up on. I ran the official campaign table the entire rally with the help of some others.

No offense, but I'd have pulled out some notebook paper and made my own. Not cutting down all the work you did, which I certainly didn't do. I just think that was a lost opportunity.
 
Matt, I would very much like to know who you contacted and when. It certainly wasn't me, and I was very involved all of this year in the Oklahoma City / Oklahoma County area.
I don't fully recall, I would have to go through a year's worth of FB messages to find out. I do remember some of the names, but I'm not going to discuss specific names.
 
Do you know the reason for this? It was because the person(s) who were representing the campaign in Oklahoma (or would be representing the campaign) were not good choices. As I and many other leaders from Oklahoma would tell you, any one of us would have stepped up to the plate to be the state coordinator for Oklahoma. When someone was put in place who did not truly stand for liberty, we're just supposed to shut up and be quiet? I don't think so. I know every one of the "leaders" in Oklahoma's grassroots movement. I'm not saying something that is just this crazy idea. No, we all were more than ready to be the campaign and work with the campaign, but Mr. Gerhart made it so that we could not.
I have no idea about any of that, but maturity is being able to work with people who are not the same as you. The Campaign obviously made their decision, good call or bad call, so it was time to move forward instead of wasting resources trying to fix something that wasn't going to be changed. Being a good leader means being a good follower too.
 
I have no idea about any of that, but maturity is being able to work with people who are not the same as you. The Campaign obviously made their decision, good call or bad call, so it was time to move forward instead of wasting resources trying to fix something that wasn't going to be changed. Being a good leader means being a good follower too.

Seems the campaign wrote off the state rather than work with grass roots, even the grass roots they themselves appointed to positions, from what I can tell. Why is that good leadership?

All campaigns will have errors, people are too busy in busy times and need to move quickly. but this sure seems like an error in 20/20 hindsight.
 
Seems the campaign wrote off the state rather than work with grass roots, from what I can tell. Why is that good leadership?
I don't know, I wasn't involved in that aspect, but I did try and reach out initially in early July 2011 and was told that "we don't want anything to do with the Campaign" by some there.

I am guessing that perhaps OK was unwinnable, wasn't a target state, or that the grassroots leaders didn't want to work together with the Campaign? I dunno, but those three scenarios are my educated guess.
 
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I don't know, I wasn't involved in that aspect, but I did try and reach out initially in early July 2011 and was told that "we don't want anything to do with the Campaign" by some there.

I am guessing that perhaps OK was unwinnable, wasn't a target state, or that the grassroots leaders didn't want to work together with the Campaign? I dunno, but those three scenarios are my educated guess.

writing the state off still seems like a pretty bad decision in retrospect particularly given how close we came to winning the unwinnable state, doesn't it? It seems like they continue to believe campaign control and selection was more important than winning with the grass roots. There is a difference from saying the campaign should have been omnicient at the time when people were busy and saying in retrospect this is something that could have been done better.
 
I have no idea about any of that, but maturity is being able to work with people who are not the same as you. The Campaign obviously made their decision, good call or bad call, so it was time to move forward instead of wasting resources trying to fix something that wasn't going to be changed. Being a good leader means being a good follower too.

Sounds like you don't have the full scoop on what happened with Oklahoma then, Matt. That's exactly what we did. It's not about working with someone who is not the same as myself or the other leaders (we're all individuals in the liberty movement ;)!), it's about actually being able to win. We moved forward (without help from the campaign) and won. Had we not moved forward, Oklahoma would've been a complete loss.

I find it interesting that you don't address much of Mr. Dickson's post (CapitalistSooner), as he pretty much disproves your claim we, in the grassroots, wanted no help from the campaign.

@sailingaway -
No offense, but I'd have pulled out some notebook paper and made my own. Not cutting down all the work you did, which I certainly didn't do. I just think that was a lost opportunity.

Yes, that would've been good. Too much to go into as to why that didn't happen, but it was an opportunity lost.
 
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I don't know, I wasn't involved in that aspect, but I did try and reach out initially in early July 2011 and was told that "we don't want anything to do with the Campaign" by some there.

I am guessing that perhaps OK was unwinnable, wasn't a target state, or that the grassroots leaders didn't want to work together with the Campaign? I dunno, but those three scenarios are my educated guess.

Or perhaps it was just that they didn't want to deal with you?
 
Or perhaps it was just that they didn't want to deal with you?

When they asked legitimate questions, or had concerns, he probably suggested they were beating their spouses. Then, he probably couldn't figure out why they didn't want to work with him. The supporters probably wrote off the campaign for not having professionals on board, because he was associated with the official campaign and instead of wanting to have a conservation, wanted to insult them for not being professionals or something, and being ignorant when he couldn't explain something. Just based on my experience here on the boards.
 
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