The Problem of the Libertarian Moocher (Re: Paul Fest)

[Okie RP fan]

So Tom made this video specifically because of PaulConventionWV?

So far he's the only person to complain about it being "overvalued". I'm a bit annoyed at the video and how he makes it seem like it's a large group of people that make up the movement who want things for free when in reality that is far from the truth.

Perhaps it is a large group, perhaps it is not. Did he literally say he thought it was a large group?

It is no lie that we have some of the more "liberal" libertarians who want things paid for and are those strong anti-corporate types. I mean, every group and following has their free loaders, that's just the human in us.

 

[nobody's_hero]

I wonder how much of the 'mooching' is just frustration that people can't really afford to get involved.

We've got some of the most enlightened fighters for freedom in the world of politics.

And also, the poorest.

Ironically, there's nothing like watching a bunch of minimum-wage earning college kids support the candidate (Ron Paul) who wants to save the middle class from being wiped out, while the middle-class mostly supports candidates who want to wipe out the middle class (Obamney).

Of course, once things get bad enough economically, they'll all want to support Ron Paul, but then they'll be too poor to do so.

Politics ain't a poor man's sport.

 

[GeorgiaAvenger]

Is Matt Collins listening?

 

[anaconda]

Is the grassroots turning down money? Are people offering grassroots money?

The grassroots donates money. So I guess that's sort of like turning it down. No one is offering the grassroots money, as a whole.

 

[green73]

Is Matt Collins listening?

rep

 

[AdamT]

Serious pwnage right there.

 

[Narmical]

I think calling him just a history buff is not quite fair either. He has a PhD in history and can be properly called a historian.

Or how bout Dr. Woods? that's appropriate too.

 

[Thrashertm]

Was not impressed with him prior. Another overhyped personality cult dude was my impression from those here who talked him up. I ain't a big Lew Rockwell/Mises Institute fan either. They are simply reading material I can glean basic data from and toss the opinions..like i do with everything else i read from any source. Can't stand Schiff or Stossel either. Talking heads are not my cup of tea. I don't need telling what to think or have a ditto dude i can listen to to back up my internal thought processes. And probably it is due more to people being sycophants about these people that turn me off. Just like Just Bieber hype or Lady gaga.Rev9

I am a big fan of Schiff and Stossel, but not because they have particularly brilliant insights or tell me what I don't already know (by now). I like them because they effectively advocate my point of view to the wider world.

 

[Thrashertm]

My response: What's wrong Tom, getting some complaints that LibertyClassroom isn't free? Perhaps you're not satisfied with subscription volume? Normally I enjoy your videos, but this feels rather self serving, and I think the vindictive tone is inappropriate. Moochers are always and everywhere, and we all mooch in one way or another. Why not explore the economics involved instead of taking this antagonistic tone?

 

[Thrashertm]

I think Tom is upset because people with throwing some elbows about his liberty classroom fees.

We are entitled to Liberty Classroom videos.

This. He's defensive because not everyone is willing to pay for what he is selling. Unfortunately for Tom, not everyone values his wisdom enough to pay $100. Don't feel bad Tom - most people wouldn't pay $5 for my wisdom.

 

[Voluntarist]

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[DeMintConservative]

Would Ghandi or Thoreau speeches be any worse or less relevant if they had charged for them?

 

[messana]

This. He's defensive because not everyone is willing to pay for what he is selling.

How do you know this?

 

[Voluntarist]

xxxxx

 

[PierzStyx]

I think Tom is upset because people with throwing some elbows about his liberty classroom fees.

We are entitled to Liberty Classroom videos.

I suppose you're also entitled to welfare, my pocketbook, his clothes, and your neighbor's wife? Take your socialist bullcrap somewhere else. You're entitled to nothing. Earn it or shut up.

 

[PierzStyx]

What were Ghandi's speaking fees? Did Thoreau charge anything to make an appearance? Silly me; they pale in significance to Judge Nap and Tom Woods.

Actually Gandhi and Thoreau both did speaking engagements where they charged money. So did Ralph Waldo Emerson and MLK Jr.

 

[Carehn]

I agree with Tom. We also have to come to realize that charity is not more effective then 'for profit' when trying to advance any cause other then statism.

I stand ready for the attacks.

 

[Carehn]

You know Ayn Rand wrote Atlas Shrugged because some lady who liked her book 'the fountainhead' said that she had a responsibility to write more and her readers where entitled to her ideas.

I shit you not... Look it up....

How do you read the fountainhead and then tell Rand you have a right to her writings???

 

[parocks]

Actually Gandhi and Thoreau both did speaking engagements where they charged money. So did Ralph Waldo Emerson and MLK Jr.

If I had to guess, I would think that those folks might not charge for their own thing, but if someone else was having a thing, and wanted them there, they might charge for it. Rationing, scarce resources, etc.

 

[Jingles]

So if I don't believe in IP like most AnCaps am I suddenly a libertarian moocher?