The Peace Candidate - Lincoln Chafee
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He says he was just parroting talking points for dear old dad. Funny that NIE is still good according to former CIA officers like Giraldi, Pillar, and McGovern.
http://thinkprogress.org/election/2...ays-flip-flopped-iran-hes-running-office-now/
Man check out the comment section: How they have fun with his flip flopping: http://freethoughtblogs.com/dispatches/2015/04/09/rand-paul-explains-his-iran-flip-flop/
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Chafee is awful. Not only is he a full blown drug warrior, he's awful on other civil liberties too. He consistently voted for the "Patriot" Act.
Webb is the most liberty minded Democrat, but that's not saying much of anything.
I don't know who you are Rad, but as far as candidates go, if you can't separate the wheat from the chafee, you really aren't in a position to be giving advice.
Webb is the most liberty minded Democrat, but that's not saying much of anything.
I don't know who you are Rad, but as far as candidates go, if you can't separate the wheat from the chafee, you really aren't in a position to be giving advice.
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Do you have anything to offer besides genetic fallacies and divisive identity politics?
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For the record, Webb voted in favor of reauthorizing the Patriot Act as well.
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Webb is better on the exterior than Chafee, but I wouldn't go so far as to describe Webb as liberty minded by any stretch, he's more of a practical police-state shill rather than a brazen one.
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I wasn't trying to be really logical with that one. We all know Rand is not a non-interventionist. That's not a news flash.
I love these self righteous tirades that condemn Rand for his deviations of libertarianism, and then offer supporting complete socialists in protest of him. It's hilarious.
That is all true except Chafee is number one thanks to Rand's betrayal. However he thinks Snowden is right and should come home without punishment. I'm waiting to hear more on the Patriot act. People change positions. Walter Jones did. Chafee is a drug warrior. Most of them are. He should be challenged on that. Its still not as bad as the war with Iran that the Republicans want. Rand wants to kick the issue down the road so the war profiteers can lobby for it and scare the public even more on this non issue until Iran war I.
Webb is in the AIPAC camp on Iran and against the deal. Chafee is for the deal, for talking to our enemies, and you are right he is lacking, but there is no one else in the mainstream parties that is saying these things like Ron Paul used to do. The most important foreign policy event of the century so far is taking place right now and Webb and Rand are on the wrong side of it. Can America tone down its foreign policy or will it be "yes master" to Netanyahu all the way to war with Iran is the question. If there is war with Iran Michael Scheuer says that their operatives inside the US will conduct attacks on American soil. We can kiss even more of our civil liberties goodbye if that happens. I can't talk sense into Dondero, I guess I can't talk sense to his like minded followers.
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Well didn't realize that Webb came out against the Iran deal. I guess Chafee isn't any worse, but they're both awful.
What do you care about? Its not civil liberties, its not fiscal responsibility (check out the debt from those wars), its not foreign policy because all those are tied to war and peace. Its not a deviation it is a massive betrayal, playing with the lives of millions of Iranians, thousands of American soldiers, and trillions of dollars just to appease some lobbyist while barely making it in the polls. He knows the whole thing is bogus but he plays along anyway.
Out of curiosity, where do you get your information? Dondero? Weekly Standard?
It saddens me because I wanted to like him. I accepted his support for Romney and defended him concerning it because I saw it was a non issue. When he kisses tail on small issues it doesn't bother. I accepted the Israel-Palestinian conflict would not be resolved and he would kiss AIPAC tail. I was upset about his support for sanctions on Iran, especially since I knew that he knew that it was all bogus. I was disheartened by the Cotton letter but that really has no meat to it. Then the deal came and then he totally lost me.
Since we are having a good conversation. I'll bring up Rand's big problem. Did you know he has a Jack Hunter problem (there be white nats down that rabbit hole)? Have you guys seen this from Jack's former colleague (look him up because this guy is the real deal): https://youtu.be/oLfKwJNWmf0
The Neocons (Jennifer Rubin is a Neocon by the way) know about it: https://www.washingtonpost.com/blog...2/jack-hunter-and-rand-paul-playing-the-game/
The paleocons are their main enemy after all. If Rand rises in the polls this is going to be the weapon of choice so be prepared. This is what they are going to beat him with. I don't think these extreme right paleocons are bad people by the way. They aren't much different from Israelis. They are like peaceful Zionist. They just want a homogeneous country like Japan and Israel for themselves. They don't want to hurt anybody. They just want to not associate with people that are not of European descent. Libertarians are all for freedom of association. That is where they click. Jack is a good commentator and I don't think Jack goes for this stuff but it sticks in our society because of American history. However this is what will sink Rand's ship into oblivion.
Neither is going to win. At least the socialist is going to educate people on foreign policy. Rand is going to play the game. Richard Spencer in the video above thinks that is a stupid idea. How can he play it when they have all this footage of him campaigning for his daddy? I stand by my comment that Ron Paul made it possible for the Iran deal moment. He said what needed to be said. He got his son elected and many others for being a honest man. He deviated from Libertarianism but no one really cared except for the PC kochtopus people. Rand could have taken this wonderful gift the President amazingly gave us and ran with it. The facts were on his side, senior military officers would have been on his side, and those who care about peace would be for him. He instead chose to blend in and fade away: http://www.theamericanconservative.com/mccarthy/is-rand-paul-missing-his-giuliani-moment/
Here is Jack Hunter's former colleague Richard Spencer commenting on Rand Paul: http://www.radixjournal.com/blog/2015/8/7/trump-paul-and-the-cucks
He asks at the end an important question. What was the point?
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Oh I forgot. They used to work at this magazine (you should recognize a lot of the names there):
http://takimag.com/contributor/richardspencer/69
http://takimag.com/contributor/jackhunter/108
One guy wrote a book about Obama, borrowing a Harry Potter novel's title: http://takimag.com/article/americas_half_blood_prince/print
http://takimag.com/contributor/richardspencer/69
http://takimag.com/contributor/jackhunter/108
One guy wrote a book about Obama, borrowing a Harry Potter novel's title: http://takimag.com/article/americas_half_blood_prince/print
You've made a friend out of me. Want to know what Wendy McElroy who knew Ron Paul and Lew Rockwell thought about them? http://www.wendymcelroy.com/news.php?extend.1299
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You realize Richard Spencer is a white supremacist, right? As in, like, the David Duke kind. I just posted a Tweet from him a couple of weeks ago about how evil race mixing is. The quicker people like you move on the better.
I am glad you do not like Rand Paul. Ultimately this stuff about Hamas and the Palestinians, AIPAC, citing the white supremacists, Taki Magazine and those evil politically correct Kochs and Michael Scheuer is about the joos. That is what these long drawn out posts ALWAYS end up being about.
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Jack Hunter is basically viewed about the same as David Duke by the average voter, GOP or otherwise. I actually read Taki's Magazine fairly regularly and agree with many of their points, but at this juncture having the endorsement of anybody associated with them would be a death sentence for any candidacy. Maybe in 20 or 30 years, but definitely not today.
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Richard Spencer is on a whole different level than just Taki Magazine and Jack Hunter. He was one of the people dumping all over people like Matt Bevin and Tim Huelskamp for having mixed race families. That is despicable. Here is his Wikipedia. Would you cite a guy like this?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_B._Spencer
Don't turn this on me. I'm what you call a melungeon. My people have already been repressed thank you very much. I am starting to regret not listening to Wendy McElroy. I looked at these guys around Ron Paul and said they don't seem to want to hurt anyone. They aren't going to get what they want except maybe border control. I'm not hanging out with these guys like the Pauls and their associates. Check the list on Takimag. See any names you know? Some prominent people in liberty circles. I think they are misguided on race (those who are more like Spencer) but they don't want to kill people. They just mostly want to argue about IQ and blame illegal immigrants for supposedly having low IQ and destroying the country through stupidity (I don't buy that argument, I think it is supply and demand aka cheap labor).
I know who Richard Spencer is. You guys are so kind to me so I'm showing you where Rand is going to be attacked and why. He hired Jack Hunter. They wrote a book together. His dad's friends and associates are in the circles of these people. Rand took the talking points concerning the civil rights act etc and Jack Hunter. Did he know? The media is sitting on this. It will come out. Perhaps I can wake people up and get them to ask themselves what does a libertarian mean when he says freedom of association (choosing who enters your shop etc)? Yes they do blame the Jews. It is actually far right Likud supporters who have ties with the military industrial complex for obvious reasons (they Israel the toys to put down their helots) and who can not forget the Iraq war and the future drum roll Iran war if the Republicans have their way. Clean break strategy hello.. you know about that right? Also these Paleocons forget about the Saudis. You know the ones that funded the 9/11 attacks, and fund the terrorist in the Middle East. Our so called allies (snicker). They also want Iranians destroyed. Strangely they don't get as much press as AIPAC. The majority of Jewish Americans support the deal with Iran. I dislike it when it becomes as you say about the joos because that is incorrect. Michael Scheuer takes it too far but Israel's treatment of the Palestinians has been blamed on us. Check out the declassifed document. Check the date bro (before 9/11): https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/368971-2001-02-06-sunni-terrorist-threat-growing-senior.html
See what it said about how the Palestinian conflict was hurting us? They were right.
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