The Paytriot Delusion

[RonneJJones]

He is a naysayer when it comes to history, is anti religion, is anti country but firmly believes in the NWO. He is the typical new age, self absorbed, over educated individual of the new left.

Can you please fix your quote of my post in your last post, as it looks right now like I am the one who said: "I am all for using violence to save my family or country. I will not whine or cry or beg to anyone. If we are to regain our freedom we will have to fight for it. No one will give it to us." But in fact, those are your comments.

I guess I'm having a difficult time understanding your point. I don't draw the same conclusions about this author as you do, as I see him as someone who is trying to be objective and neutral as he acquires more information. I understand that you won't get on your knees for anyone, and I think most if not all of us here would agree with you on that point. But what I'm getting at is the best way for us to achieve our objectives. I don't think you disagree with the author on the goal, just the path for reaching that goal, and it is that point that I'm still unclear on.

 

[virgil47]

Can you please fix your quote of my post in your last post, as it looks right now like I am the one who said: "I am all for using violence to save my family or country. I will not whine or cry or beg to anyone. If we are to regain our freedom we will have to fight for it. No one will give it to us." But in fact, those are your comments.

As I always answer in bold face and prefer to answer each point one at a time it should be obvious to anyone reading our posts that mine is the reply not the original.

I guess I'm having a difficult time understanding your point. I don't draw the same conclusions about this author as you do, as I see him as someone who is trying to be objective and neutral as he acquires more information. I understand that you won't get on your knees for anyone, and I think most if not all of us here would agree with you on that point. But what I'm getting at is the best way for us to achieve our objectives. I don't think you disagree with the author on the goal, just the path for reaching that goal, and it is that point that I'm still unclear on.

This author is a fan of Carrol Quigley. That in itself classifies him as a progressive leaning individual. If you need more info on him please go to http://www.blogger.com/profile/02194374047148603083 and do a little reading on him. Jarvie basically states that humanity is so stupid that we do not realize that there are external forces being brought to bear on our society. Whereas he is aware that democracies are not the optimum form of society he conveniently neglects to mention republics. He appears to have virtually no beliefs when it comes to religion or society in general. Over my 62 years of life I have come to firmly believe that those that profess loudly that they do not have an agenda do indeed have one. I have also discovered that those same naysayers do not have my best interests at heart. They also do not have mankind's best interest's at heart.

 

[RonneJJones]

This author is a fan of Carrol Quigley. That in itself classifies him as a progressive leaning individual. If you need more info on him please go to http://www.blogger.com/profile/02194374047148603083 and do a little reading on him. Jarvie basically states that humanity is so stupid that we do not realize that there are external forces being brought to bear on our society. Whereas he is aware that democracies are not the optimum form of society he conveniently neglects to mention republics. He appears to have virtually no beliefs when it comes to religion or society in general. Over my 62 years of life I have come to firmly believe that those that profess loudly that they do not have an agenda do indeed have one. I have also discovered that those same naysayers do not have my best interests at heart. They also do not have mankind's best interest's at heart.

Learn how to use the quote tool correctly or I'll ask the mods to start deleting your posts, because you're inserting your posts into my quotes. That is misleading to any reader, and is simply not done.

Secondly, I just read this author's bio and what he actually said is that he is a student of history, specifically history of the anglo-American establishment as described by Quigley. He is not a "fan" of Quigley as you assert... that is just ludicrous. Further, the author states quite overtly that he wishes to bring "people out of their conditioning."

I am a researcher into the hidden forces behind the veneer of the presumed, so-called "reality" we have been conditioned to believe is real since birth. My focus is on history, and how it ties in with the dialectical nature of world events past and present. The common view of history we are programmed to believe is that world events (wars, revolutions, terrorism) are a series of unrelated incidents that happen by mere coincidence. Critical examination shows that this is not the case. We are entering into a new system of neo-feudalist control -- a global totalitarian government that is administered through a form of communistic rule or scientific socialism, but is fascistic at the top -- by the big multinational corporations in tandem with the Anglo-American establishment described by former Georgetown professor and CFR archivist, Carroll Quigley, in his 1966 epic, Tragedy & Hope. My hope is to help bring people out of their conditioning, so they will understand the system they were born into, and which their parents and grandparents were born into as well.

I'm not sure where you are getting all of your inferences about this author and what he means by this article, but I can not find anything to support any of your contentions. In fact, everything that my research finds supports the author's contentions that the Patriot community is being used as pawns to help bring in the new agenda, and the only ones who don't seem to see this clearly are those who are immersed in the patriot community.

 

[pcosmar]

In fact, everything that my research finds supports the author's contentions that the Patriot community is being used as pawns to help bring in the new agenda, and the only ones who don't seem to see this clearly are those who are immersed in the patriot community.

And that is where he is horribly mistaken.
It is the Patriot Community (as a whole,though there are many facets) that has been sounding the warning for many years. They have been attacked and ridiculed and marginalized, and the message is only heard by few.
And TPTB want to keep it that way. This is more of the same, packaged differently.

 

[virgil47]

Learn how to use the quote tool correctly or I'll ask the mods to start deleting your posts, because you're inserting your posts into my quotes. That is misleading to any reader, and is simply not done.



Secondly, I just read this author's bio and what he actually said is that he is a student of history, specifically history of the anglo-American establishment as described by Quigley. He is not a "fan" of Quigley as you assert... that is just ludicrous. Further, the author states quite overtly that he wishes to bring "people out of their conditioning."



I'm not sure where you are getting all of your inferences about this author and what he means by this article, but I can not find anything to support any of your contentions. In fact, everything that my research finds supports the author's contentions that the Patriot community is being used as pawns to help bring in the new agenda, and the only ones who don't seem to see this clearly are those who are immersed in the patriot community.

I have been doing it this way for some time and yours is the one and only complaint. If you do not like it then do not post more than one point at a time.Does this suit your fancy?

Yes he is a student of revisionist history. He believes and has stated that mankind has never undergone a revolution of the "people" but has always been controlled by the "rulers" that lurk behind the scenes. He is a defeatist at best and part of the problem at worst.

 

[RonneJJones]

I have been doing it this way for some time and yours is the one and only complaint. If you do not like it then do not post more than one point at a time.Does this suit your fancy?

Yes he is a student of revisionist history. He believes and has stated that mankind has never undergone a revolution of the "people" but has always been controlled by the "rulers" that lurk behind the scenes. He is a defeatist at best and part of the problem at worst.

Certainly, you can come up with more this? Let's see, I might be losing track, but so far you've said that this author:

• is a "'me first' individual"
• believes "we should not defend families, neighborhoods, states or our country"
• believes "that any effort to protect or recapture a way of life is a waste of time and effort"
• displays "the epitome of defeatism"
• espouses "clap trap" that will make us end "up disarmed and in chains"
• "is a naysayer when it comes to history, is anti religion, is anti country but firmly believes in the NWO"
• "is the typical new age, self absorbed, over educated individual of the new left."
• is "a fan of Carrol Quigley"
• is a "progressive leaning individual"
• has "virtually no beliefs when it comes to religion or society in general"
• does "not have mankind's best interest's at heart"
• "is a student of revisionist history"

Would you care to provide us with some tangible and relevant analysis and discussion about the article posted in the OP, or do you wish to jump up and down and stamp your feet some more?

 

[RonneJJones]

And that is where he is horribly mistaken.
It is the Patriot Community (as a whole,though there are many facets) that has been sounding the warning for many years. They have been attacked and ridiculed and marginalized, and the message is only heard by few.
And TPTB want to keep it that way. This is more of the same, packaged differently.

You're not paying attention, soldier. Revolutions are either always run by the establishment or usurped by them. Even our revolutionary war was eventually usurped, just took a little while to get a stranglehold, but that stranglehold is self evident now.

To simply dismiss the points made in the article posted in the OP is to put ones head in the sand. If you're serious, then honestly evaluate your strengths, weaknesses, threats and risks, and don't scoff at, or dismiss someone who attempts to raise awareness of them.

 

[eOs]

OP, I kind agree with you man, there is no action or occurrence that doesn't happen in the elite political world without careful planning and strategy. It does seem the overall events of situations will be pushed in the direction of their goals by our "own" hands. But, on the other hand I think you have a rather grim view of the past. As for the American Revolution, I see it as a great achievement for humanity, even if masonic fingerprints were all over it. We're the new masons and we don't even know it yet.

 

[pcosmar]

Would you care to provide us with some tangible and relevant analysis and discussion about the article posted in the OP, or do you wish to jump up and down and stamp your feet some more?

It seems he did just that.
I will add that it is worthless crap and a waste of time reading.

 

[RonneJJones]

OP, I kind agree with you man, there is no action or occurrence that doesn't happen in the elite political world without careful planning and strategy. It does seem the overall events of situations will be pushed in the direction of their goals by our "own" hands. But, on the other hand I think you have a rather grim view of the past. As for the American Revolution, I see it as a great achievement for humanity, even if masonic fingerprints were all over it. We're the new masons and we don't even know it yet.

I think the American Revolution was a legitimate attempt to escape monarch rule. But Franklin warned us, did he not? And we obviously did not take him seriously enough, as our revolution was usurped. It just took them about 150 years.

 

[pcosmar]

You're not paying attention, soldier. Revolutions are either always run by the establishment or usurped by them. Even our revolutionary war was eventually usurped, just took a little while to get a stranglehold, but that stranglehold is self evident now.

And that is exactly the DEFEATIST attitude that virgil47 addressed.
The same garbage that IP was pushing.

I ain't buying what you're selling.

 

[RonneJJones]

And that is exactly the DEFEATIST attitude that virgil47 addressed.
The same garbage that IP was pushing.

I ain't buying what you're selling.

Let's not discuss our strengths and weakness, nor the threats or risks we face based upon an honest study of history, let's just be soldiers and march forward, with blinders on, and our ears plugged, until we are exhausted and/or expired. Is that what you are trying to say? Doesn't seem to me to be a very prudent approach.

Now, let's return the thread back to the OP, shall we? Enough of this attempted derailment.

http://sovereignsentience.blogspot.com/2009/09/paytriot-delusion.html

The elite do not fear paytriots with guns, but perhaps they do fear too many people owning guns -- hence an increased push for further gun control and the deliberate depletion of ammunition around the country. However, when the time comes they will depend on just the right number of useful idiots to react in a way that creates the pretext for them to bring out their experimental crowd control toys and come down hard on us all. In an age of directed-energy weapons, guns are virtually obsolete.


It's quite clear that civil unrest is slowly being fomented in this country for a purpose unbeknownst to most. Most people's frustration is indeed genuine and justified, but that doesn't mean there are not devious people looking to exploit that frustration to further their own diabolical agenda.

 

[pcosmar]

You're free to leave the thread anytime.

And you are free to Kiss my Ass.

 

[virgil47]

+10,000.

 

[RonneJJones]

And you are free to Kiss my Ass.

+10,000.

Now that the children have had their temper tantrum because someone brought up a reality they didn't want to hear, are their any adults her who would like to discuss how one can keep from being manipulated and used, so that our we don't become pawns and our message ridiculed?

 

[pcosmar]

Now that the children have had their temper tantrum because someone brought up a reality they didn't want to hear, are their any adults her who would like to discuss how one can keep from being manipulated and used, so that our we don't become pawns and our message ridiculed?

Oh, stuff it. Kid.

 

[virgil47]

Now that the children have had their temper tantrum because someone brought up a reality they didn't want to hear, are their any adults her who would like to discuss how one can keep from being manipulated and used, so that our we don't become pawns and our message ridiculed?

Perhaps you should be spending more time on the progressive boards that exist on the internet. I have mentioned many reasons why the author is unreliable and you have been kind enough to list them however you have not even attempted to refute a single point I have made. It would seem that you have no information that refutes my claims so you persist in posting a continuous whine about how this person is so wonderful but you fail to back up this claim with facts. Please come back when you have received an education and are capable of employing it.

 

[RonneJJones]

Perhaps you should be spending more time on the progressive boards that exist on the internet. I have mentioned many reasons why the author is unreliable and you have been kind enough to list them however you have not even attempted to refute a single point I have made. It would seem that you have no information that refutes my claims so you persist in posting a continuous whine about how this person is so wonderful but you fail to back up this claim with facts. Please come back when you have received an education and are capable of employing it.

Anyone can state anything they want. Your problem is that you don't substantiate what you say, but you just keep repeating it anyway. I don't play with intellectually dishonest people. You're purpose here seems only to be to derail this thread.

Back to the point of the thread, which is to discuss how the Patriot movement can be usurped, and what people here are doing to make sure that that does not happen.

 

[pcosmar]

I don't play with intellectually dishonest people.

I do, I especially like to engage pseudo-intellectuals with inflated ego's, in the hope that they may either learn, or that others will see them for what they are.

 

[virgil47]

Anyone can state anything they want. Your problem is that you don't substantiate what you say, but you just keep repeating it anyway. I don't play with intellectually dishonest people. You're purpose here seems only to be to derail this thread.

Back to the point of the thread, which is to discuss how the Patriot movement can be usurped, and what people here are doing to make sure that that does not happen.

Ahh, at last you clarify. It certainly appeared as though you were a major fan of Mr. Jarvie. As to my dishonesty I suggest that you take a long look in the mirror.

The fact that the Patriot movement can be usurped is only common sense. There are so many ways that this could be done that attempting to list them all would be an exercise in futility. Any and all movements can be usurped if the movers and shakers in the movement are too trusting and unaware.

The people on this forum are only vaguely aware of the extent of the patriot movement in this country. There is not much the majority on this forum can do other than be prepared to care for themselves and their families when the time comes. I think you will find that very few are actually prepared to engage in the type of resistance that it will ultimately take to retake our country.

You may ask why I believe this to be true. It is apparent that the disregard many on these boards have for the military and the knowledge and training it can provide to the patriot movement is not valued. Believe me when I say the U.S. gov. is fully aware of the value of military training as regards the patriot movement.