The Passing of the Libertarian Moment?

[Brian4Liberty]

https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2018/04/defused/556934/

Translation: Resistance is futile. Conform to global democratic socialism (aka global crony totalitarian oligarchy) and all will be well. In the end, it's always the same.

“He gazed up at the enormous face. Forty years it had taken him to learn what kind of smile was hidden beneath the dark moustache. O cruel, needless misunderstanding! O stubborn, self-willed exile from the loving breast! Two gin-scented tears trickled down the sides of his nose. But it was all right, everything was all right, the struggle was finished. He had won the victory over himself. He loved Big Brother”

 

[r3volution 3.0]

Translation: Resistance is futile. Conform to global democratic socialism (aka global crony totalitarian oligarchy) and all will be well. In the end, it's always the same.

“He gazed up at the enormous face. Forty years it had taken him to learn what kind of smile was hidden beneath the dark moustache. O cruel, needless misunderstanding! O stubborn, self-willed exile from the loving breast! Two gin-scented tears trickled down the sides of his nose. But it was all right, everything was all right, the struggle was finished. He had won the victory over himself. He loved Big Brother”

Which part of the article do you think is promoting socialism?

The part lamenting the GOP's abandonment of free trade, the part lamenting their endorsement of increased regulation of tech companies...?

 

[Swordsmyth]

Which part of the article do you think is promoting socialism?

The part lamenting the GOP's abandonment of free trade, the part lamenting their endorsement of increased regulation of tech companies...?

The part promoting defeatism.

 

[r3volution 3.0]

The part promoting defeatism.

If acknowledging that the liberty movement has been defeated in the GOP is a problem, what is cheering on the people who defeated it?

 

[Swordsmyth]

If acknowledging that the liberty movement has been defeated in the GOP is a problem,

It hasn't been.

what is cheering on the people who defeated it?

That isn't happening.

 

[Matt Collins]

I just finally got around to reading this.

First off the author, Kevin Williamson, is an idiotic self-important, arrogant, giant gaping, ivory tower, neocon asshole.

He is openly hostile to the cause of liberty and looks for any chance to put it down.

That being said, he is incorrect on a number of fronts. People who are pro-liberty are not Trump supporters as the two concepts are irreconcilable.

As he babbles on with his drivel he fails to see the hundreds of pro-liberty individuals being elected on the state and local level across the country. And the fact that there are now 3 nearly 99% solid pro-liberty members of Congress up from just 1 in 2008 when Ron launched his Presidential bid.

Kevin's nonsense continues when he discusses the idea that there isn't widespread adoption of libertarianism among the population. Anyone who has studied the political process one iota understands that a majority or even widespread support is not necessary to change (stop/support) governmental policy. Nevermind the fact the most people don't even vote in the primary elections.

To be fair though (ha) he is correct that libertarian ideas are getting practically no advancement under the current political climate among Trump and Republicans.

Regardless, Kevin Williamson is still a giant prick

 

[TheTexan]

And the fact that there are now 3 nearly 99% solid pro-liberty members of Congress up from just 1 in 2008 when Ron launched his Presidential bid.

In 10 years we might even have 5!

 

[Danke]

In 10 years we might even have 5!

Always the optimist, that's what I like about you.

 

[Pauls' Revere]

If GOPers lose a few battles under the kulturkampf banner, they might rethink that line and return to something vaguely small government-ish.

If so, that would be helpful for libertarians trying to use the GOP as a vehicle.

If not, there's no reason to care about the fate of the GOP.

As far as I'm concerned there is no reason to care for either the GOP or Dems. IMO the Libertarian Party needs to separate completely from each of those parties and maybe would have a better shot of standing out on its own.

 

[Swordsmyth]

As far as I'm concerned there is no reason to care for either the GOP or Dems. IMO the Libertarian Party needs to separate completely from each of those parties and maybe would have a better shot of standing out on its own.

The LP is controlled opposition, there is the Constitution party but the leftarians wouldn't like it.
Our options are 1: to reform either the Reps or the LP or 2: go with the Constitution Party and ditch the leftarians or 3: start a new party.

 

[nikcers]

The LP is controlled opposition

Myth busted, no one voted for the "controlled opposition" and the neocons still won.

 

[Swordsmyth]

Myth busted, no one voted for the "controlled opposition" and the neocons still won.

Then the opposition control worked. Didn't it?

 

[nikcers]

Then the opposition control worked. Didn't it?

The government rigging the election and then blaming it on Russia only works in fantasy land. The government destroyed the worlds faith in America's democracy, blamed it on Russia and we wonder why confidence in the dollar is gone. Thats all been done intentionally though, destruction of the dollar means that the debt is gone, and if the debt is gone Americans won't go after the crony capitalists that took all of our money.

 

[Swordsmyth]

The government rigging the election and then blaming it on Russia only works in fantasy land. The government destroyed the worlds faith in America's democracy, blamed it on Russia and we wonder why confidence in the dollar is gone. Thats all been done intentionally though, destruction of the dollar means that the debt is gone, and if the debt is gone Americans won't go after the crony capitalists that took all of our money.

What does that have to do with the LP being controlled opposition?
They deliberately drive people away from libertarianism.

 

[nikcers]

What does that have to do with the LP being controlled opposition?
They deliberately drive people away from libertarianism.

They are doing a good job promoting conservatism and gun rights.

 

[The Rebel Poet]

That being said, he is incorrect on a number of fronts. People who are pro-liberty are not Trump supporters as the two concepts are irreconcilable.

Read it more carefully; he did not say “pro-liberty,” he said “self-identified libertarians.” Cf. Jones, Alex and Molyneux, Stefan.

 

[The Rebel Poet]

...over more libertarian-leaning candidates such as Ted Cruz (17 percent in the same poll) or Marco Rubio (0 percent—ouch).

absolute trash author, please ridicule him and never speak of him again.

Why? This is a factually accurate statement. Both Ted Cruz and Marco Rubio are more libertarian leaning than Trump.

 

[The Rebel Poet]

Concerned troll is concerned.

Translation: Resistance is futile. Conform to global democratic socialism (aka global crony totalitarian oligarchy) and all will be well. In the end, it's always the same.

I just finally got around to reading this.

First off the author, Kevin Williamson, is an idiotic self-important, arrogant, giant gaping, ivory tower, neocon asshole.

He is openly hostile to the cause of liberty and looks for any chance to put it down

Amen guys. We always win, and we never lose, and we should never question the outcome of our strategies and decisions, and anyone who says otherwise is a poopy-head.

 

[r3volution 3.0]

As far as I'm concerned there is no reason to care for either the GOP or Dems. IMO the Libertarian Party needs to separate completely from each of those parties and maybe would have a better shot of standing out on its own.

I'd like to see a third, libertarian-ish party as well, but I'm not sure the LP is up to the task.

I think a more economics-focused, culture-war-agnostic, non-hippy party could do a lot better.

Such a party might even draw in some of the big money that's getting nervous with the GOP's turn to populism.

 

[The Rebel Poet]

I'd like to see a third, libertarian-ish party as well, but I'm not sure the LP is up to the task.

I think a more economics-focused, culture-war-agnostic, non-hippy party could do a lot better.

Such a party might even draw in some of the big money that's getting nervous with the GOP's turn to populism.

An economic platform is a non-starter because of the economic illiteracy that plagues America. A freedom platform makes more sense- that would include economics, but not be focused on it - it would also include things like criminal justice reform, non-interventionism, and the like. If your platform appears to be founded on economics, 70% of the country will stick their fingers in their ears and yell “rich white men.” We should also address culture issues like marijuana and marriage by saying get the government out rather than dodging. Having a reset party-wise would be great, but another small government party would just further splinter us. We need to combine the Libertarian and Constitution parties and give it a Ron Paul platform.