The only way to save the GOP

[nodope0695]

No offense, but I really wish people would quit daydreaming about a Ron Paul third party run. Not. Gonna. Happen.

Period.

+100,000,000

 

[christagious]

+100,000,000

Not to start anything on here, this is just for my personal curiosity, but you, in a nutshell, said F**k saving the GOP, it's a sinking ship that doesn't need saved, then you at the same time don't support a third party run, so I was just wondering what you're leaning towards then. Are you more of a Libertarian Party or Constitutionalist Party person? I'm just asking, hopefully you don't take it the wrong way.

 

[TheTyke]

The way the laws are designed though, if I understand, makes it much more difficult and costly for a 3rd party candidate to get the presidency. As Dr. Paul said, we should work to eliminate those laws, but at this time, you will only see a Democrat or Republican as president.

It's another control mechanism, and until we change all the laws, our only avenue is to take over one of the parties. The Republican Party just happens to be the most vulnerable to takeover at the moment.

 

[Pauls' Revere]

It's not our only hope. :o How many 3rd party candidates have been elected, EVER? Even ones with insane amounts of money like Perot? :o

Abraham Lincoln was the last 3rd party to be elected. Actually I think 4 parties were running at that time back in those days they were not afraid of third parties and other political views as this 2 party system is. I believe we were more of a Republic than a democracy.
p.s. If the Republicans screw this up then the party desreves to die off.

 

[Liberté]

Ok, now with Nader running it's likely that the Dems are gonna be hurting in the General Election which could possibly mean that McCain will be the next president. This is very bad, although I hate Clinton and dislike Obama very much, I want to see one of them beat McCain. For this reason, the GOP is very cocky, it's overrun by neo-cons. The only way to knock the Republican party off of its high horse is to beat them, then maybe they'll go back to how the Republican party is supposed to be. Therefore, we need McCain to lose somehow, the only way to do this is to get a conservative independent candidate to take votes away from McCain, much like how Nader will do with either Clinton or Obama. Who is this candidate we need? None other than RON PAUL.
No matter what Ron Paul is the only way the GOP can be saved.

He needs to change his mind or else the Republican party will continue to be overrun by neocons.

The third party crap is nonsense. But anyone that wants a Clinton or Obama presidency is no friend of the Constitution... McCain may be bad, but Clinton or Obama would destroy the Constitution.

We need to build up the GOP, first local with Ward Chairs and State Reps, then Congressional, and finally then a President. Until then we have no choice, a vote for Dem, even not voting for McCain, is a vote against the Constitution... there is at least a chance McCain will appoint Conservative Justices, which is the most important thing the President can do it.

 

[clouds]

The third party crap is nonsense. But anyone that wants a Clinton or Obama presidency is no friend of the Constitution... McCain may be bad, but Clinton or Obama would destroy the Constitution.

We need to build up the GOP, first local with Ward Chairs and State Reps, then Congressional, and finally then a President. Until then we have no choice, a vote for Dem, even not voting for McCain, is a vote against the Constitution... there is at least a chance McCain will appoint Conservative Justices, which is the most important thing the President can do it.

ugh. i'd rather not take the lesser of two evils approach again.

 

[Peace&Freedom]

ugh. i'd rather not take the lesser of two evils approach again.

Amen. I think re-animation or the GOP corpse will prove to be a bigger daydream than any ideas about a Paul 3rd party run. The establishment running both big parties and the big media will most likely crush or co-opt the Paul insurgents, as they have done to other factions. And when will this Republican transformation take place, if it could? The 'work within the GOP' people cite the 30+ year electoral failure record of 3rd parties, while saying nothing about the 70+ year LEGISLATIVE failure record of Republicans in changing anything back in a constitutional direction.

Both failures are really due to the establishment suppression of alternative movements---so you have to replace that establishment in order to make progress. I say raid all the parties, making the Paul movement a 'virtual party' with a transformative footprint across the political spectrum, like the neocons do. Create our own media/network (breakthematrix, or the Ron Paul Revolution TV project) so we can reach regular voters who are not on the internet, like FOX does.

Are the save-GOP folks hawkiing for a 'revolution' that takes 70 more years to realize? I suggest 2012 is the furthest possible deadline to give the save-GOP plan (given a lot of us think this year might be the last free election). If Paul doesn't do an independent run this year, he or a successor Paulite MUST run 3rd party in 2012 when/if the establishment defeats us inside the Republican party.

 

[christagious]

The third party crap is nonsense. But anyone that wants a Clinton or Obama presidency is no friend of the Constitution... McCain may be bad, but Clinton or Obama would destroy the Constitution.

We need to build up the GOP, first local with Ward Chairs and State Reps, then Congressional, and finally then a President. Until then we have no choice, a vote for Dem, even not voting for McCain, is a vote against the Constitution... there is at least a chance McCain will appoint Conservative Justices, which is the most important thing the President can do it.

And McCain isn't going to destroy the Constitution? If you think McCain is a good choice than you're more brainwashed than you think. The only way to get good republicans back in the party is to lose. If McCain wins than the arrogance of the neocons will simply grow and grow. They need to be knocked off of their high horse.
Why nobody understands this is beyond me.

 

[Liberté]

And McCain isn't going to destroy the Constitution? If you think McCain is a good choice than you're more brainwashed than you think. The only way to get good republicans back in the party is to lose. If McCain wins than the arrogance of the neocons will simply grow and grow. They need to be knocked off of their high horse.
Why nobody understands this is beyond me.

See, another person that can't read.. re-read my post and shut up.

 

[Akus]

Ok, now with Nader running it's likely that the Dems are gonna be hurting in the General Election which could possibly mean that McCain will be the next president. This is very bad, although I hate Clinton and dislike Obama very much, I want to see one of them beat McCain. For this reason, the GOP is very cocky, it's overrun by neo-cons. The only way to knock the Republican party off of its high horse is to beat them, then maybe they'll go back to how the Republican party is supposed to be. Therefore, we need McCain to lose somehow, the only way to do this is to get a conservative independent candidate to take votes away from McCain, much like how Nader will do with either Clinton or Obama. Who is this candidate we need? None other than RON PAUL.
No matter what Ron Paul is the only way the GOP can be saved.

He needs to change his mind or else the Republican party will continue to be overrun by neocons.

The way you think is the way many undecideds think, too. They think that Nader will merely give the win to the worst pick, be it McCain or Obama. This is the third or so time he is running and I don't think people who think Ron Paul doesn't stand a chance will suddenly believe some one who lost last elections and elections before that stands any greater chance.

 

[christagious]

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[seeker1]

I wonder.

It doesn't matter if Obama or McCain is the next president, we are taking back the country either way!

How do you figure this?

 

[xd9fan]

I'M sorry....I thought somebody already put a bullet in this dead horse.....