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So the latino sheriff arrested one white man for killing another white man in the course of them live testing a kevlar helmet. Is that "taking things from white people?" Oh...and I think both of these Darwin nominees were straight. Not sure though.

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Houston-area man charged with murder after ‘friends’ took turns shooting each other, sheriff says | Houston Public Media

Sean Odonnell, 37, was arrested and charged with murder Thursday in the shooting death of Aaron Prout, a 34-year-old man from the United Kingdom who resided in Harris County, Sheriff Ed Gonzalez wrote in a social media post. The sheriff says they shot each other inside a home while "wearing a...
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Houston-area man charged with murder after ‘friends’ took turns shooting each other, sheriff says​

Sean Odonnell, 37, was arrested and charged with murder Thursday in the shooting death of Aaron Prout, a 34-year-old man from the United Kingdom who resided in Harris County, Sheriff Ed Gonzalez wrote in a social media post. The sheriff says they shot each other inside a home while “wearing a kevlar helmet.”

Gabrielle Dawkins | Posted onAugust 29, 2025, 4:45 PM

Harris County Sheriff's Deputy
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A Harris County Sheriff’s Office deputy stands near his patrol vehicle.
Two men in the Houston area took turns shooting each other earlier this month while wearing a ballistics helmet, according to Harris County Sheriff Ed Gonzalez, who said the incident led to the death of one of them and murder charges for the other.

Sean Odonnell, 37, was arrested and charged with murder Thursday in the shooting death of Aaron Prout, a 34-year-old man from the United Kingdom who resided in Harris County, Gonzalez wrote in a social media post. Prout sustained a gunshot wound to the head on Aug. 17 in the 23700 block of Pennington Hills Drive, according to Gonzalez, who said he was transported to a hospital and subsequently died from his injuries.

“Hard to believe two, so-called friends, would take turns shooting at each other wearing a kevlar helmet, inside a house in a residential neighborhood, while using a rifle,” Gonzalez wrote in his post.

Gonzalez said deputies with the Harris County Precinct 4 Constable’s Office responded to a call that initially was reported as a possible suicide. But “things weren’t adding up” for investigators, Gonzalez said.

Odonnell lives at the home where the shooting occurred, according to Gonzalez.

A murder charge against Odonnell did not appear in Harris County’s online court records as of Friday. A man with the same name, address and birthdate was arrested Aug. 21 — four days after the shooting — and charged with driving while intoxicated, court records show.

The defense attorney in the DWI case did not immediately respond to a request for comment Friday.
 
jmdrake said:
Sean Odonnell, 37, was arrested and charged with murder [...]
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Unless there is more to it than was described, it sounds like the charge should be negligent homicide, not murder.

But overcharging is par for course. (Undercharging is too, in progressive "soft on crime" venues.)
 
Occam's Banana said:
Unless there is more to it than was described, it sounds like the charge should be negligent homicide, not murder.

But overcharging is par for course. (Undercharging is too, in progressive "soft on crime" venues.)
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Well let's look at the statute:

Sec. 19.02. MURDER. (a) In this section:
(1) "Adequate cause" means cause that would commonly produce a degree of anger, rage, resentment, or terror in a person of ordinary temper, sufficient to render the mind incapable of cool reflection.
(2) "Sudden passion" means passion directly caused by and arising out of provocation by the individual killed or another acting with the person killed which passion arises at the time of the offense and is not solely the result of former provocation.
(b) A person commits an offense if the person:
(1) intentionally or knowingly causes the death of an individual;
(2) intends to cause serious bodily injury and commits an act clearly dangerous to human life that causes the death of an individual;
(3) commits or attempts to commit a felony, other than manslaughter, and in the course of and in furtherance of the commission or attempt, or in immediate flight from the commission or attempt, the person commits or attempts to commit an act clearly dangerous to human life that causes the death of an individual; or
(4) knowingly manufactures or delivers a controlled substance included in Penalty Group 1-B under Section 481.1022, Health and Safety Code, in violation of Section 481.1123, Health and Safety Code, and an individual dies as a result of injecting, ingesting, inhaling, or introducing into the individual's body any amount of the controlled substance manufactured or delivered by the actor, regardless of whether the controlled substance was used by itself or with another substance, including a drug, adulterant, or dilutant.

Sec. 22.05. DEADLY CONDUCT. (a) A person commits an offense if he recklessly engages in conduct that places another in imminent danger of serious bodily injury.
(b) A person commits an offense if he knowingly discharges a firearm at or in the direction of:
(1) one or more individuals; or
(2) a habitation, building, or vehicle and is reckless as to whether the habitation, building, or vehicle is occupied.
(c) Recklessness and danger are presumed if the actor knowingly pointed a firearm at or in the direction of another whether or not the actor believed the firearm to be loaded.
(d) For purposes of this section, "building," "habitation," and "vehicle" have the meanings assigned those terms by Section 30.01.
(e) An offense under Subsection (a) is a Class A misdemeanor. An offense under Subsection (b) is a felony of the third degree

So just shooting a gun at someone, even if that person agrees to it, is a felony. And if you kill someone, accidentally or not, in the course of committing a felony OR you kill someone in the course of committing "an act clearly dangerous to human life", under Texas law that's a felony. There is no "he agreed to this" exception that I see. And he can't claim self defense because they were taking turns. I get it. This could make a lot of "pranks" possible felonies. You attempt to play William Tell and shoot an apple off of someone's head? In Texas, as I'm reading the law, that could make you a murderer if you shoot a few inches too low. But, if you murder a hooker who took your money and didn't give you sex in return, you can get away with it as long as you shoot her at night.
 
jmdrake said:
Well let's look at the statute:

Sec. 19.02. MURDER. (a) In this section:
(1) "Adequate cause" means cause that would commonly produce a degree of anger, rage, resentment, or terror in a person of ordinary temper, sufficient to render the mind incapable of cool reflection.
(2) "Sudden passion" means passion directly caused by and arising out of provocation by the individual killed or another acting with the person killed which passion arises at the time of the offense and is not solely the result of former provocation.
(b) A person commits an offense if the person:
(1) intentionally or knowingly causes the death of an individual;
(2) intends to cause serious bodily injury and commits an act clearly dangerous to human life that causes the death of an individual;
(3) commits or attempts to commit a felony, other than manslaughter, and in the course of and in furtherance of the commission or attempt, or in immediate flight from the commission or attempt, the person commits or attempts to commit an act clearly dangerous to human life that causes the death of an individual; or
(4) knowingly manufactures or delivers a controlled substance included in Penalty Group 1-B under Section 481.1022, Health and Safety Code, in violation of Section 481.1123, Health and Safety Code, and an individual dies as a result of injecting, ingesting, inhaling, or introducing into the individual's body any amount of the controlled substance manufactured or delivered by the actor, regardless of whether the controlled substance was used by itself or with another substance, including a drug, adulterant, or dilutant.

Sec. 22.05. DEADLY CONDUCT. (a) A person commits an offense if he recklessly engages in conduct that places another in imminent danger of serious bodily injury.
(b) A person commits an offense if he knowingly discharges a firearm at or in the direction of:
(1) one or more individuals; or
(2) a habitation, building, or vehicle and is reckless as to whether the habitation, building, or vehicle is occupied.
(c) Recklessness and danger are presumed if the actor knowingly pointed a firearm at or in the direction of another whether or not the actor believed the firearm to be loaded.
(d) For purposes of this section, "building," "habitation," and "vehicle" have the meanings assigned those terms by Section 30.01.
(e) An offense under Subsection (a) is a Class A misdemeanor. An offense under Subsection (b) is a felony of the third degree

So just shooting a gun at someone, even if that person agrees to it, is a felony. And if you kill someone, accidentally or not, in the course of committing a felony OR you kill someone in the course of committing "an act clearly dangerous to human life", under Texas law that's a felony. There is no "he agreed to this" exception that I see. And he can't claim self defense because they were taking turns. I get it. This could make a lot of "pranks" possible felonies. You attempt to play William Tell and shoot an apple off of someone's head? In Texas, as I'm reading the law, that could make you a murderer if you shoot a few inches too low. But, if you murder a hooker who took your money and didn't give you sex in return, you can get away with it as long as you shoot her at night.
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This kind of cross-feeding semi-circularity is one of the reasons why the law is an ass.

It's also why liberty and legislatures cannot coexist.

When you have people whose job is to literally make up new laws out of nothing, you will end up with not just a never-ending parade of laws and regulations, but also a rat's nest of statutes daisy-chained together and/or nested like matryoshka dolls (selling drugs is a crime, selling drugs across a border is another crime, using a phone to sell drugs across a border is another crime, using a phone to sell drugs across a border on a Tuesday when the moon is full ... etc.).
 
Occam's Banana said:
This kind of cross-feeding semi-circularity is one of the reasons why the law is an ass.

It's also why liberty and legislatures cannot coexist.

When you have people whose job is to literally make up new laws out of nothing, you will end up with not just a never-ending parade of laws and regulations, but also a rat's nest of statutes daisy-chained together and/or nested like matryoshka dolls (selling drugs is a crime, selling drugs across a border is another crime, using a phone to sell drugs across a border is another crime, using a phone to sell drugs across a border on a Tuesday when the moon is full ... etc.).
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So I'm not arguing for or against your position but I do want to understand it. I think your issue is that this killing happened from a consenual act. In this case the death was arguably "accidental" though one would have to be VERY stupid not to see the clear risk of death. (They kept shooting each other in the head until the kevlar helmet failed and one died). What about the case some years ago in Germany where a man agreed to be killed and eaten and the cannibal was charged with murder? Or should dueling not be considered murder? If someone dies in a sanctioned boxing or MMA match it's not murder because the risk of death is not as obvious as this case.
 
jmdrake said:
So I'm not arguing for or against your position but I do want to understand it. I think your issue is that this killing happened from a consenual act. In this case the death was arguably "accidental" though one would have to be VERY stupid not to see the clear risk of death. (They kept shooting each other in the head until the kevlar helmet failed and one died).
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At the very least, murder ought to require an intent to kill (as distinct from other homicides for which such intent is absent).

Whether mere intent alone is sufficient to justify the designation of a homicide as "murder" is reasonably debatable.

I am inclined to say that homicides in which the decedent was a willing and informed participant should not be considered murder.

Thus, in this particular case, something like negligent homicide might be warranted, but not murder.

As for your other scenarios:

jmdrake said:
What about the case some years ago in Germany where a man agreed to be killed and eaten and the cannibal was charged with murder?
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Not murder.

Suicide + cannibalism.

jmdrake said:
Or should dueling not be considered murder?
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Death as a result of voluntary participation in (possibly) lethal "mutual combat": not murder.

If anything and at most, something like voluntary manslaughter (with no prison if found "guilty" - instead, impose weregild or "man-price".)

(Non-lethal duels - e.g., duels fought to "first blood" - are not homicides at all, of course.)

jmdrake said:
If someone dies in a sanctioned boxing or MMA match it's not murder because the risk of death is not as obvious as this case.
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Such events are just formalized non-lethal "sporting" duels, so same as above.
 
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Memorial for Sade Robinson, Milwaukee woman killed on date, halted over racist emails​

The memorial would have been installed, using $7,000 of taxpayers’ money, in Warnimont Park in Cudahy.

Feb. 6, 2025, 1:12 PM CST
By Minyvonne Burke
A memorial for Sade Robinson, a 19-year-old woman killed and dismembered after she went on a date with the man charged in her murder, was scrapped after a Milwaukee official said he received a "flurry of racist emails."

The memorial would have been installed, using $7,000 of taxpayers' money, in Warnimont Park in Cudahy, the Milwaukee Journal Sentinel reported.



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Juan Miguel Martinez, county supervisor for Milwaukee’s District 12, said that after he talked with Robinson's mother, Sheena Scarbrough, they agreed "it would be best to withdraw the resolution" because of the hatred.

"It was something to honor her legacy and honor her memory ... and it was something for them to feel comfortable," Martinez said at a Jan. 28 county Parks and Culture Committee meeting. "And what we got in exchange was a flurry of racist emails saying that 'why should Black folks get this when white folks don’t get this?'

"She wanted me to withdraw it, and I was going to withdraw it, because I did come to the conclusion that, yes, maybe taxpayers shouldn’t be footing this bill," Martinez said.

Sade Carleena Robinson
Sade Carleena Robinson.Milwaukee Police Department
"I just want to say shame on people for treating a grieving mother this way and making it a race thing," he added. "And treating her subhuman when it’s absolutely unnecessary and absolutely unethical, and it shows the mother the most disgusting and detestable parts of our society.”

According to a criminal complaint, Robinson went on a date April 1 with Maxwell Anderson, who was arrested weeks later and charged with first-degree intentional homicide, mutilating a corpse and arson. Parts of Robinson’s body, including an arm, her torso, a severed right leg and a foot with pink nail polish have been found scattered in the surrounding area.
 
jmdrake said:
"It was something to honor her legacy and honor her memory ... and it was something for them to feel comfortable," Martinez said at a Jan. 28 county Parks and Culture Committee meeting. "And what we got in exchange was a flurry of racist emails saying that 'why should Black folks get this when white folks don’t get this?'
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Valid question.
 
Anti Federalist said:
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You know there hasn't been a major black protest since 2020 right?



Note ^this video is before the DC takeover. There were no mass protests for Sonya Massey either back in 2024. I'll do you one better. When the cousin of Patrice Cullors, one of the FOUNDERS of black lives matter, was killed, she couldn't pull together a mass protest.



I wonder why that is? Could it be that after black people went out on a limb in 2020, NOTHING changed except getting a (maybe) black Vice President? The Asians didn't do any mass protests and yet they got an Asian hate crimes bill.



What did black people get? Joe Biden and Kamala Harris using COVID money to expand the prison industrial complex.

www.themarshallproject.org

Rifles, Tasers and Jails: How Cities and States Spent Billions of COVID-19 Relief

President Biden’s signature American Rescue Plan Act gave local governments $350 billion to recover from COVID-19. They spent much of it on police, prisons and the courts.
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The democrats filibustered Tim Scotts 2020 police reform bill and never passed one of their own.

www.scott.senate.gov

Democrats’ shameful vote against Tim Scott’s police reform bill — U.S. Senator Tim Scott of South Carolina

We saw how seriously congressional Democrats were taking police reform when Sen. Richard J. Durbin (D-Ill.), the second-ranking Democratic leader, dismissed legislation introduced by Sen. Tim Scott (R-S.C.) as a “token, half-hearted approach.” For Durbin to question the seriousness and sincerity...
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Black people not coming out to protest whatever Trump is doing at the moment isn't proof of agreement with Trump. That said, Baltimore and Birmingham, cities also with Democrat / Black mayors, managed to bring crime down more than what Trump has so far accomplished in D.C. without using federal troops. Imagine that?

Edit: I have a question though @Anti Federalist. Do you support Trump's deployment of federal troops in D.C.? I mean technically it is legal since D.C. isn't a state and thus the president doesn't have to ask the governor first, but Trump is talking about deploying federal troops to Chicago and other cities. Considering the crime problem can be dealt with by other means (Under Obama the D.C. murder rate dropped to 88 which is the lowest since 1987), and the very real "slippery slope" problem, shouldn't everybody be concerned? The best way to fight crime long term is to do what happened in Tangelo Park Florida, but nobody seems interested in real solutions.
 
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