The Official BREXIT Thread

I just watched a few comedy talk show hosts (Stephen Colbert and 2 others) on the Brexit. Wow. Basically, in their opinion the people voting for a Brexit are hard core, racist morons. You would think they just voted to implement child slavery.
 
I just watched a few comedy talk show hosts (Stephen Colbert and 2 others) on the Brexit. Wow. Basically, in their opinion the people voting for a Brexit are hard core, racist morons. You would think they just voted to implement child slavery.

Most comedians are progressives.
 
Brexit, whether binding or non-binding depending on how hard the elites fight it, is still the best thing to happen this decade. I'm enjoying seeing the propaganda machine and the brainwashed masses thrash around.
 
Gary North wrote another nice summary of Brexit's impact today:

The New World Order has suffered its greatest defeat, ever. They tried everything in the book to scare the voters from voting for an exit. They failed.

There will be lots of explanations offered. But this one is the big one: national sovereignty still trumps globalism. People are committed to their nations. They are committed emotionally. They are not committed emotionally to international bureaucracies. But this is all the NWO can offer the masses: international bureaucracies that super-rich people know how to milk.

The Brexit vote is a wake-up call to these people. Their days of wine and roses are over.

https://www.lewrockwell.com/2016/06/gary-north/2nd-greatest-victory/
 
And here we have some examples of intolerance in the name of 'tolerance'. How misguided can people be.
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And here we have some examples of intolerance in the name of 'tolerance'. How misguided can people be.

They are not misguided. They are just throwing tantrums. For the first time in their life the PC strategy did not result in a win. They were supposed to be cruising on it for the rest of their lives, shaming everybody who even dared to question their intentions into submission.
 
They are not misguided. They are just throwing tantrums. For the first time in their life the PC strategy did not result in a win. They were supposed to be cruising on it for the rest of their lives, shaming everybody who even dared to question their intentions into submission.

They in fact are misguided. Nigel only had one vote in the referendum.
 
Often overlooked in the discussions is the fact that the vote was advisory- the Parliament does not have to follow it and call for Article 50 (leaving the EU). Nothing is official until (and if) that happens. Cameron has delayed things by saying he will leave the decision to his successor (who won't be chosen until the fall at the earliest).

http://blogs.ft.com/david-allen-gre...vernment-legally-disregard-a-vote-for-brexit/

Can the United Kingdom government legally disregard a vote for Brexit?

What follows any referendum vote next week for the United Kingdom to leave the EU? From a legal perspective, the immediate consequence is simple: nothing will happen.

The relevant legislation did not provide for the referendum result to have any formal trigger effect. The referendum is advisory rather than mandatory. The 2011 referendum on electoral reform did have an obligation on the government to legislate in the event of a “yes” vote (the vote was “no” so this did not matter). But no such provision was included in the EU referendum legislation.

What happens next in the event of a vote to leave is therefore a matter of politics not law. It will come down to what is politically expedient and practicable. The UK government could seek to ignore such a vote; to explain it away and characterise it in terms that it has no credibility or binding effect (low turnout may be such an excuse). Or they could say it is now a matter for parliament, and then endeavour to win the parliamentary vote. Or ministers could try to re-negotiate another deal and put that to another referendum. There is, after all, a tradition of EU member states repeating referendums on EU-related matters until voters eventually vote the “right” way.

What matters in law is when and whether the government invokes Article 50 of the Lisbon Treaty. This is the significant “red button”. Once the Article 50 process is commenced then Brexit does become a matter of law, and quite an urgent one. It would appear this process is (and is intended to be) irreversible and irrevocable once it starts. But invoking Article 50 is a legally distinct step from the referendum result — it is not an obligation.

Article 50 in full contains the following provisions:

1. Any Member State may decide to withdraw from the Union in accordance with its own constitutional requirements.

2. A Member State which decides to withdraw shall notify the European Council of its intention. In the light of the guidelines provided by the European Council, the Union shall negotiate and conclude an agreement with that State, setting out the arrangements for its withdrawal, taking account of the framework for its future relationship with the Union. That agreement shall be negotiated in accordance with Article 218(3) of the Treaty on the Functioning of the European Union. It shall be concluded on behalf of the Union by the Council, acting by a qualified majority, after obtaining the consent of the European Parliament.

3. The Treaties shall cease to apply to the State in question from the date of entry into force of the withdrawal agreement or, failing that, two years after the notification referred to in paragraph 2, unless the European Council, in agreement with the Member State concerned, unanimously decides to extend this period.

4. For the purposes of paragraphs 2 and 3, the member of the European Council or of the Council representing the withdrawing Member State shall not participate in the discussions of the European Council or Council or in decisions concerning it.

A qualified majority shall be defined in accordance with Article 238(3)(b) of the Treaty on the Functioning of the European Union.

5. If a State which has withdrawn from the Union asks to rejoin, its request shall be subject to the procedure referred to in Article 49.

There are three points of interest here in respect of any withdrawal from the EU by the UK.

First, it is a matter for a member state’s “own constitutional requirements” as to how it decides to withdraw. The manner is not prescribed: so it can be a referendum, or a parliamentary vote, or some other means. In the UK, it would seem that some form of parliamentary approval would be required — perhaps a motion or resolution rather than a statute. The position, however, is not clear and the UK government has so far been coy about being specific.

Second, the crucial act is the notification by the member state under Article 50(2). That is the event which commences the formal process, which is then intended to be effected by negotiation and agreement. There is no (express) provision for a member state to withdraw from the process or revoke the notification. Once the notification is given, the member state and the EU are stuck with it.

And third, there is a hard deadline of two years. This is what gives real force to Article 50. The alternative would be the prospect of a never ending story of rounds of discussions and negotiations. Once notification is given, then the member state is out in two years, unless this period is extended by unanimous agreement. It is possible that such unanimity may be forthcoming – but this would be outside of the power of the member state. Once the button is pushed, the countdown cannot just be switched off by a member state saying it has changed its mind, or by claiming that the Article 50 notification was just a negotiation tactic all along. That will not wash.

This said, what is created by international agreement can be undone by international agreement. Practical politicians in Brussels may come up with some muddling fudge which holds off the two year deadline. Or there could be some new treaty amendment. These conveniences cannot, however, be counted on. The assumption must be that once the Article 50 notification is given, the UK will be out of the EU in two years or less.

What happens between a Leave vote and any Article 50 notification will be driven by politics. The conventional wisdom is that, of course, a vote for Brexit would have to be respected. (This is the same conventional wisdom which told us that, of course, Jeremy Corbyn would not be elected Labour leader and that, of course, Donald Trump would not be the Republican nominee.) To not do so would be “unthinkable” and “political suicide” and so on.

And if there is a parliamentary vote before any Article 50 notification then there is the potential irony of those seeking to defend parliamentary sovereignty demanding that an extra-parliamentary referendum be treated as binding. But it must be right that the final decision is made by parliament, regardless of what the supposed defenders of parliamentary sovereignty say.

One suspects that no great thought went into the practical and legal consequences of a Leave vote because it was expected that the vote would be, of course, for the UK to remain. That may well be the result: nobody knows what will happen next week, and only a fool relies on opinion polls. And referendums do tend to support the status quo (though not always). It could turn out that worrying about what happens if there is a vote for Brexit is misplaced.

What is certain is that if there an Article 50 notification then there will be immense legal work to be done. Over 40 years of law-making — tens of thousands of legal instruments — will have to be unpicked and either placed on some fresh basis or discarded with thought as to the consequences. The UK government has depended since 1972 — indeed it has over-depended — on it being easy to implement law derived from the EU. The task of repeal and replacement will take years to complete, if it is ever completed. Even if the key legislation — especially the European Communities Act 1972 — is repealed there will have to be holding and saving legislation for at least a political generation.

A vote for Brexit will not be determinative of whether the UK will leave the EU. That potential outcome comes down to the political decisions which then follow before the Article 50 notification. The policy of the government (if not of all of its ministers) is to remain in the EU. The UK government may thereby seek to put off the Article 50 notification, regardless of political pressure and conventional wisdom.

There may already be plans in place to slow things down and to put off any substantive decision until after summer. In turn, those supporting Brexit cannot simply celebrate a vote for leave as a job done — for them the real political work begins in getting the government to make the Article 50 notification as soon as possible with no further preconditions.
 
I don't think the UK is going to leave, I think they are going to hold another referendum in which the more recently brainwashed will come out in droves. I read 40% of 18-25 year olds turned out, and 75% of those voted to remain. What is an additional 60% of 18-25 year old's going to do to the 52-48? Also, now that some of the abrupt consequences of exit have been seen (but none of the longterm potential good) I believe a fair number of leavers will turn coat.

EUthanasia.

the will of the EUth.

The EUth inherit the world.

EUphonic

EUripides?

Meh maybe not.

So, I was reading at this far left London site, where they're all beside themselves and want the leave vote overturned. They're writing to their MPs and begging others to do so, demanding a new referendum. I thought this pro remain MP's reply was interesting:

Reply from David Mackintosh (Tory)

Thank you for contacting me regarding the European Referendum results.

As you may know, I campaigned for the UK to remain in the European Union but the British public have now spoken, and I believe we must now respect that decision.

Regarding a potential second referendum in which many people have signed a petition, the House of Commons Petitions Committee, of which I am a member, has had to remove 77,000 fraudulent signatures already.

The Committee has decided to defer its decision on this petition until the Government Digital Service has done all it can to verify the signatures on the petition. I would also like to make clear that although the petition may lead to a debate in Westminster Hall, these debates do not have the power to change the law, and could not trigger a second referendum.

The UK, I believe, must now unite together in the wake of the decision to leave the European Union.

The people of Northampton and indeed the whole country spoke very clearly to leave the European Union and gave MPs clear instructions for the future of our country which we must now follow in full.

The task now is to unite the country and to get the best deal possible for our great country and focus on the future and this means also recognising the views of the people who did not vote for the UK to leave the EU. This will be my focus in Parliament in the comings months.

Best wishes,

David


And a few of the chat site posters' responses to that letter:

30/6/16 19:15
Craigey
"these debates do not have the power to change the law"

Neither does the referendum, you expletiveing cretin!
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30/6/16 19:06
mayfly
Good. Really, what absolute crap. People on The 48% are reporting MPs telling them things like 'Suck it up'.
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30/6/16 19:06
mayfly
I have never seen such utter, utter tosh in my entire life.
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30/6/16 19:05
mayfly
"gave MPs clear instructions for the future of our country which we must now follow in full."

OK, let's see them then.
 
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/feb/11/theresa-may-hard-brexit-public-backlash-icm-poll

Theresa May faces public backlash over hard Brexit, poll finds

Just 35% of British public in new ICM survey would back Britain leaving the EU without agreement with other states

A clear majority of the British public oppose Theresa May’s uncompromising Brexit negotiating position and are not prepared for the UK to crash out of the EU if the prime minister cannot negotiate a reasonable exit deal, according to a new poll.

In a sign that public support for the government’s push for a hard Brexit is increasingly precarious, just 35% of the public said they backed Britain leaving the EU without an agreement with other states. The UK would then fall back on to World Trade Organisation (WTO) tariffs, which MPs and business leaders have claimed would devastate the economy.

The survey – conducted by ICM for the online campaigning organisation Avaaz on the day the House of Commons voted overwhelmingly to trigger article 50 – suggests May would face a considerable backlash if Britain crashed out of the EU on WTO terms. In a welcome boost for soft Brexit campaigners, over half (54%) of those surveyed backed either extending negotiations if a satisfactory deal could not be reached, or halting the process altogether while the public was consulted for a second time.

The Liberal Democrat foreign affairs spokesman, Tom Brake, said the findings proved the government’s position was indefensible.

Of the 54% of people who opposed the government’s position, 34% said May should continue negotiating. A further 20% backed halting the process pending a second referendum on the terms of the deal, an option backed by the Lib Dems and a cross-party group of MPs including the Labour MPs David Lammy, Heidi Alexander and Ben Bradshaw, as well as the Green Party leader, Caroline Lucas.

Brake said: “Our best hope of stopping a ruinous hard Brexit that nobody voted for and few want is if the public rally round to fight it, as Brexit grows more unpopular. That means uniting many who voted leave but now want to avoid the economic catastrophe of quitting the single market, and who want to protect those European citizens who contribute so much to Britain’s economy and society.”

Bert Wander, Avaaz’s campaign director, said the results showed May was at odds with the public over Brexit, and called for the House of Lords to ensure that Britons had the right to force May to continue negotiating.

Two-thirds of the public don’t want Theresa May dangling us over the Brexit cliff without a safety net and the Lords can intervene and save us from that fate. We need the right to send May back to Brussels if all she brings us is a bad deal for Britain.”
 
http://www.euronews.com/2017/02/11/juncker-warns-brexit-could-divide-eu

European Commission President Jean-Claude Juncker fears Britain will try to divide the EU’s remaining 27 members during its negotiations to leave the bloc.

In an interview to be broadcast on German radio on Sunday, he warns that Theresa May’s government, due to trigger formal divorce talks by the end of March, will make different promises to different countries.

“The other EU 27 don’t know it yet, but the Brits know very well how they can tackle this,” Juncker told Deutschlandfunk radio.

“They could promise country A this, country B that and country C something else and the end game is that there is not a united European front.”



Juncker reiterated that the UK can’t negotiate its own trade deals as long as it remains an EU member.

And he revealed that he, himself, won’t be seeking a second term in the Brussels hot seat when his tenure as Commission President comes to an end in 2019.
 
Farage: "They promiced they would do it [have Brexit] in 2019, they’re now vaugly saying they might do it in 2021. I don’t think any of them frankly have the guts, to stand up for what Brexit voters wanted."

[video=youtube;B1gjdxnl_KM]https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=54&v=B1gjdxnl_KM[/video]
 
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