The Official BREXIT Thread

Brian4Liberty said:
Greenspan today: "This is the worst period that I can recall".
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Referring in general to slow economic growth worldwide. http://www.marketwatch.com/story/al...-the-tip-of-the-iceberg-for-europe-2016-06-24 Growth is slow due several issues including slow increases in technology (meaning slower increases in productivity) and slower population growth.

WASHINGTON (MarketWatch) — The global economy is suffering from even bigger woes than the decision by U.K. voters to leave the European Union, Former Federal Reserve Chairman Alan Greenspan said Friday.

”This is just the tip of the iceberg,” Greenspan said in an interview on CNBC. “The global economy is in real serious trouble.”

The rejection of British voters of the status quo in Europe was fueled by a “massive slowing” in the growth rate of real incomes that is widespread across Europe, Greenspan said. This, he said, is creating serious political problems that are not easy to resolve.

Behind the slowdown in income is the sharp drop in worker productivity, according to Greenspan. Governments have to cut entitlements to reflect this weakness, he said.

The biggest concern is not a recession, but stagnation, the former Fed chief said.

“The euro-area…is failing,” Greenspan said.

“Greece is in real serious trouble and it is not going to continue in the euro very much longer irrespective of what is going on currently,” he said.

Asked what he would do if he was still Fed chief, Greenspan said: “I would worry.”
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Despite the Vote, the Odds Are Against Britain Leaving the EU

http://www.paulcraigroberts.org/201...st-britain-leaving-the-eu-paul-craig-roberts/

Paul Craig Roberts

The Brexit vote shows that a majority of the British voters understand that the UK government represents interests other than the interests of the British people. As difficult as the British know it is to hold their own government to account, they understand they have no prospect whatsoever of holding the EU government to account. During their time under the EU, the British have been reminded of historical times when law was the word of the sovereign.

The propagandists who comprise the Western political and media establishments succeeded in keeping the real issues out of public discussion and presenting the leave vote as racism. However, enough of the British people resisted the brainwashing and controlled debate to grasp the real issues: sovereignty, accountable government, financial independence, freedom from involvement in Washington’s wars and conflict with Russia.

The British people should not be so naive as to think that their vote settles the matter. The fight has only begun. Expect:

— The British government to come back to the people and say, look, the EU has given us a better deal. We can now afford to stay in.

— The Fed, ECB, BOJ, and NY hedge funds to pound the pound and to short British stocks in order to convince the British voters that their vote is sinking the economy.

— More emphasis on the vote’s weakening of Europe, leaving all to the mercy of “Russian aggression.”

— Hard to resist bribes (and threats) to prominent members of the leave majority and pressure on such leave leaders as Boris Johnson to be reasonable, concillatory and to maintain good relations with Washington and Europe, and to reach a compromise on remaining in the EU.

— Expect the Confederation of British Industry (CBI) to attribute the loss of British jobs and investment opportunities to the leave vote.

Once you learn to think about how things really are and not as the presstitutes present them,
you will be able to add to the list all by yourself.

Remember, the Irish voted against the EU and pressure was kept on them until they reversed their vote. This is the likely fate of the British.
 
wizardwatson said:
Despite the Vote, the Odds Are Against Britain Leaving the EU

http://www.paulcraigroberts.org/201...st-britain-leaving-the-eu-paul-craig-roberts/

Paul Craig Roberts

The Brexit vote shows that a majority of the British voters understand that the UK government represents interests other than the interests of the British people. As difficult as the British know it is to hold their own government to account, they understand they have no prospect whatsoever of holding the EU government to account. During their time under the EU, the British have been reminded of historical times when law was the word of the sovereign.

The propagandists who comprise the Western political and media establishments succeeded in keeping the real issues out of public discussion and presenting the leave vote as racism. However, enough of the British people resisted the brainwashing and controlled debate to grasp the real issues: sovereignty, accountable government, financial independence, freedom from involvement in Washington’s wars and conflict with Russia.

The British people should not be so naive as to think that their vote settles the matter. The fight has only begun. Expect:

— The British government to come back to the people and say, look, the EU has given us a better deal. We can now afford to stay in.

— The Fed, ECB, BOJ, and NY hedge funds to pound the pound and to short British stocks in order to convince the British voters that their vote is sinking the economy.

— More emphasis on the vote’s weakening of Europe, leaving all to the mercy of “Russian aggression.”

— Hard to resist bribes (and threats) to prominent members of the leave majority and pressure on such leave leaders as Boris Johnson to be reasonable, concillatory and to maintain good relations with Washington and Europe, and to reach a compromise on remaining in the EU.

— Expect the Confederation of British Industry (CBI) to attribute the loss of British jobs and investment opportunities to the leave vote.

Once you learn to think about how things really are and not as the presstitutes present them,
you will be able to add to the list all by yourself.

Remember, the Irish voted against the EU and pressure was kept on them until they reversed their vote. This is the likely fate of the British.
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yup. Above is the most likely reality we will see. The vote is actually non-binding... ..they'll weasel their way... ..in.
 
— The Fed, ECB, BOJ, and NY hedge funds to pound the pound and to short British stocks in order to convince the British voters that their vote is sinking the economy.
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Britain actually wants a weak Pound- it encourages jobs in the UK- making imports more expensive and their exports more attractive in terms of prices.
 
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Zippyjuan said:
Britain actually wants a week Pound- it encourages jobs in the UK- making imports more expensive and their exports more attractive in terms of prices.
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Does it? In the short term perhaps, but prices will eventually adjust. Ultimately pensioners are hurt the most I would think.
 
Biden warns of Xenophobia, Nationalism, and Isolationism

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/...p-joe-biden-ireland-scotland-brexit/86344224/

Because, you know...

If you want to self-govern, you're a nationalist.
If you want to be free to practice and preserve your own culture rather than bending to the will of the majority, you're a xenophobe.
And if you don't like elite controlled managed trade edicts being the house rules, you're an isolationist.

If however, if you simply lick the boots of the globalist masters and kiss the ring of Sauron, you're an enlightened, well-educated, loving and compassionate free individual who exemplifies tolerance and acceptance of your fellow man and worthy to have songs sung about you.

Tick-tock people. God will not tolerate this forever. Enjoy your 1 year anniversary of the 10th amendment being shat on this weekend.
 
helmuth_hubener said:
This is fantastic! I'm not used to seeing big national elections actually turn out my way. But here it is! A good result! It is possible!

Here is the reaction from the opposition. Very telling. Very telling indeed.

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Here's the thing: they aren't wrong. Whites did this. Minorities voted Remain. Go figure, eh? Just another fact to think about.
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Oh, they are wrong. The British have bent over backwards being welcoming to immigrants under normal immigration policies. It was the NWO agenda of obliterating everything considered white, culturally Christian countries where the wake up call came from. Merkel's actions were the last straw. Brexit was a matter of survival for the British. It's the internationalists who framed that as "racist". Saving yourself is not racist.

Edit to add: What all of those tweets confirm is that, for the left and all internationalists, it is very much about a racist agenda against white people and their cultures.
 
FIRST THEY IGNORE YOU. check

THEN THEY RIDICULE YOU. check

THEN THEY FIGHT YOU. check

THEN YOU WIN. check

Let the whining begin, I almost laughed myself to death today listening to the radio where people where moaning and bitching about how this was the wrong result. Awesome, perfect comedy. What a bunch of idiots. First you treat people like they don't matter, then you lose, then you start whining ? These people need to take a look in the mirror and get some self-confidence.
 
wizardwatson said:
Despite the Vote, the Odds Are Against Britain Leaving the EU

http://www.paulcraigroberts.org/201...st-britain-leaving-the-eu-paul-craig-roberts/

Paul Craig Roberts

The Brexit vote shows that a majority of the British voters understand that the UK government represents interests other than the interests of the British people. As difficult as the British know it is to hold their own government to account, they understand they have no prospect whatsoever of holding the EU government to account. During their time under the EU, the British have been reminded of historical times when law was the word of the sovereign.

The propagandists who comprise the Western political and media establishments succeeded in keeping the real issues out of public discussion and presenting the leave vote as racism. However, enough of the British people resisted the brainwashing and controlled debate to grasp the real issues: sovereignty, accountable government, financial independence, freedom from involvement in Washington’s wars and conflict with Russia.

The British people should not be so naive as to think that their vote settles the matter. The fight has only begun. Expect:

— The British government to come back to the people and say, look, the EU has given us a better deal. We can now afford to stay in.

— The Fed, ECB, BOJ, and NY hedge funds to pound the pound and to short British stocks in order to convince the British voters that their vote is sinking the economy.

— More emphasis on the vote’s weakening of Europe, leaving all to the mercy of “Russian aggression.”

— Hard to resist bribes (and threats) to prominent members of the leave majority and pressure on such leave leaders as Boris Johnson to be reasonable, concillatory and to maintain good relations with Washington and Europe, and to reach a compromise on remaining in the EU.

— Expect the Confederation of British Industry (CBI) to attribute the loss of British jobs and investment opportunities to the leave vote.

Once you learn to think about how things really are and not as the presstitutes present them,
you will be able to add to the list all by yourself.

Remember, the Irish voted against the EU and pressure was kept on them until they reversed their vote. This is the likely fate of the British.
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I thought Cameron's saying he's not the one to do anything regarding negotiating an exit, putting action off until October and a new PM, was a stalling tactic. I'm also not entirely sure about Boris and if he can cajoled. Farage and UKIP need to stay on top of it and you know they will.
 
susano said:
I thought Cameron's saying he's not the one to do anything regarding negotiating an exit, putting action off until October and a new PM, was a stalling tactic. I'm also not entirely sure about Boris and if he can cajoled. Farage and UKIP need to stay on top of it and you know they will.
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Boris is a good guy. But yeah, Farage will be out of a job soon... So he might run for parliament. I don't think Boris is the person to watch. It's the rest of the government, the people who lost. They are now desperately looking at ways to reverse the outcome. Having some knowledge of how the EU works, that is the most scary part.
 
The British rejected open borders and Muslim immigration. Couple days before the vote David Cameron was asked several times if he would veto Turkey if it applied for EU membership and he wouldn't say no. If Turkey became a member of the EU that would mean 75 million Turks would be free to setup shop in any country in the EU

Wouldn't that be great???


http://www.aljazeera.com/news/2016/...turkey-consuming-alcohol-160618114009090.html
 
helmuth_hubener said:
This is fantastic! I'm not used to seeing big national elections actually turn out my way. But here it is! A good result! It is possible!

Here is the reaction from the opposition. Very telling. Very telling indeed.


Here's the thing: they aren't wrong. Whites did this. Minorities voted Remain. Go figure, eh? Just another fact to think about.
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Colour me surprised, Helmuth eluding to a position he will not declare nor defend. Hopefully you'll be by soon to tell me how emotional I'm being for pointing that out, so we can see everything you have to offer in a concise area.
 
luctor-et-emergo said:
FIRST THEY IGNORE YOU. check

THEN THEY RIDICULE YOU. check

THEN THEY FIGHT YOU. check

THEN YOU WIN. check

Let the whining begin, I almost laughed myself to death today listening to the radio where people where moaning and bitching about how this was the wrong result. Awesome, perfect comedy. What a bunch of idiots. First you treat people like they don't matter, then you lose, then you start whining ? These people need to take a look in the mirror and get some self-confidence.
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From a London chatsite, full of far left liberals:

For me it's that everyone I care about and love is in as much shock as I am, there are people that understand what a retrograde step this will be, for me being European was always part of what I defined myself as, but only as a step in the journey to being a global citizen, which surely is what the human race has to strive for, I knew that would not come in my lifetime, but maybe in a generation or two. That those who I share this island with have decided to turn back the clock is heart wrenching, and will take generations to fix. But I guess now I have to move to phase two on my own, shoulder to shoulder with those I love who see the future differently. I am a global citizen. I will not let them use fear and mendacity to rule my life, and will do my utmost to stop them doing it to others. So maybe the kindling of the spark of revolution will be what good can come of such a tragedy.




I just sent this (thread) to a Belgian friend who lives in London with his British wife. He runs a one man band consultancy advising/lobbying/communicating/informing about EU policy mainly in the field of healthcare and midwifery. He's beside himself today so I message him trying to find something positive to say.

So avoidable and so frustratingly sad. I wish I'd done more.
I hope this whole sorry state of affairs has created a new generation of highly politicised youngsters ready to actively go and stand up for fairness, equality and inclusiveness. Everything those Brexit types don't stand for. I was encouraged by something I saw today which I've never seen before: fire in people's eyes talking about politics - in work, at the coffee machine, in the street. Not just amongst my usual fired up lefty friends (no offence intended - I include myself in that description!) but amongst the general population. Let's hope something good can come of that.
Big love x




Yeah. I've always felt a sense of responsibility to teach my kiddos how to be global citizens (I've even done a training course in it pre-babbies) but that sense now is even more overwhelming. We need to make enough noise and have enough compassion to drown out the hate.



I'm heartened by J's facebook page, he's been bloody angry all day, and a lot of his mates seem to be too.

'I'm so angry. A generation given everything - free education, golden pensions, social mobility - have voted to strip my generation's future' is one post he's cc'd onwards. Poor sods.




Don't think I was ever thinking of voting out, though I wasn't sure right at the beginning if I could be arsed to vote. I am anti-EU, same as I am anti-UK. If there was a chance of a genuine left exit, tearing down the walls of Fortress Europe, smashing the bastards who smashed Greece, I could be up for that.



Is it possible that it all won't be so bad and we're overreacting? I feel desperately despondent right now, but maybe we're all wrong and the country will be OK.



If bobbins (a banker) says it's going to be very bad, it's going to be bad. Mind his 'very bad' is different to most peoples'.

I think it's a retrograde step. I think it's a big mistake. But it's not the end of the world, that's true. 20% of me was always for Brexit, if I'm honest. I always had sympathy with the better argued cases that weren't just about immigration and racism. But immigration and racism, I fear, are what swung it in the end for Leave.

I think Labour have a lot to answer for with the Blair years of unfettered immigration and I think that this vote was to some extent a backlash against that.

And yet, 48% of people voted in. The country is truly divided.



I'd been complacent, only signs I've seen are Remain. A few in the posher parts of Lewisham, absolutely loads in inner west London. I'm now treating the M25 as an international border and refusing to leave by land.



I don´t know to what extent a decision like that can be taken by 52-48. There are always limits. A minimum. Certain laws regarding fundamental rights can not be modified at Spanish Parliament without an enforced majority: 2/3 or even 3/4. Separating from Europe by 52%. That doesn´t sound very sane. Maybe the result two weeks later would be different.
I don´t know. I find all this to be absurd apart from terrible.

To what point are Britishers entitled to decide this. I have recently started reading a book about the Roman Empire by Mary Beard. This woman who, apart from her wisdom, seems lovely, now is not European any more... Why? Can you in Britain decide that? Britain don´t belong to Britain.



Can't be arsed to read back to see if this has been mentioned, but that expletivewit in her Union Jack dress is going to look even more stupid when the UK splits up and the flag becomes obsolete. Expletiveing wankshit.



This from an FT reader kind of sums it up:

"A quick note on the first three tragedies. Firstly, it was the working classes who voted for us to leave because they were economically disregarded, and it is they who will suffer the most in the short term. They have merely swapped one distant and unreachable elite for another. Secondly, the younger generation has lost the right to live and work in 27 other countries. We will never know the full extent of the lost opportunities, friendships, marriages and experiences we will be denied. Freedom of movement was taken away by our parents, uncles, and grandparents in a parting blow to a generation that was already drowning in the debts of our predecessors. Thirdly and perhaps most significantly, we now live in a post-factual democracy. When the facts met the myths they were as useless as bullets bouncing off the bodies of aliens in a HG Wells novel. When Michael Gove said, ‘The British people are sick of experts,’ he was right. But can anybody tell me the last time a prevailing culture of anti-intellectualism has led to anything other than bigotry?"


"a post-factual democracy" rings very true. No one who voted for this knew what they were voting for. They were voting for change, any change, something different, no matter what.




the eu was firmly established as the bogeyman responsible for countless ills, in a way that was certainly xenophobic. no doubt that dog whistle stuff attracted all the better elements. but i am sure it also attracted many more who are legitimately concerned about those ills.

now the bogeyman is dead it becomes more, erm... interesting



The bogeyman isn't dead though. There are many years left of invoking "the EU", as a proxy for "foreigners", because we don't want to sound quite so openly racist



I don't think calling Brexiters 'racist' is all that helpful given the 52-48 split, I don't think half the country's racist. And besides, Gibraltarians voted Remain the most, and they're as racist as you get.

And the lone person who voted leave:


see, that's why I'm off, I know plenty of people who are neither xenephobic or racist who voted exit, myself for one, so you know what, expletive the lot of you, you live in a expletiveing bubble and haven't a expletiveing clue what goes on outside it, I'm expletiveing happy we've voted leave, expletive off



Hundreds of posts like those. You'd think a loved one just died.
 
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