The Official Ames Straw Poll Thread

Now it's being reported that Ron Paul received the 4th highest amount of votes ever for the Iowa Straw Poll.
 
If Bachmann thought the Newsweek cover was bad, she better strap herself in. She just painted a target on her back -- the liberal media, along with Romney and Perry, are going to open fire now. We're used to it. :D
 
civusamericanus said:
The democrats are going to attack Bachmann even harder now. If she came in second they may have found Ron Paul to be the bigger threat. So there's the upside. Now Paul can focus on winning and Bachmann will have to focus on defending attacks. The Tea Party isn't going to like the government money that Marcus Bachmann got for his clinic.

The attacks have already started, but now the Democrats will make sure everyone knows who Marcus Bachmann is, and when they google his name, it's going to get nasty.
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It's good to be NUMBER 2... always the secondary target ;)
 
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nocompromises said:
I am not pessimistic.

I am realistic.

I think we can win the nomination, but we will not win it with second place finishes.

A second place finish is NOT bad, but it is NOT what we need.

We need to start willing straw polls with a big margin. We can do this now, but we need to work harder.

The fact is...

The mainstream media is against us.
The majority of Republican and Democrat politicians are against us.
The other candidates are against us.

Last time around, we saw how hard things were. The media brought out the stupid racist card and they played all sorts of stupid tricks. Do you remember how they played laughter in the debates when Ron Paul answered questions? Do you remember how they turned off his ear piece so that he could not hear questions?

Things are going to get even worse for us now, because we are doing even better.

If you think they were unfair last time, they are going to be even WORSE this time.

The only way we are going to win this nomination, is if we work harder than ever before!
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Bro, I agree with you that we will need to continue to work hard. BUT, can you at least acknowledge the fact that FOX NEWS would have dismissed this poll outright if Ron had won? Can you at least acknowledge that FACT and realize the impact that coming in 2nd, this close, is a statistical tie? Can you acknowledge that?

What we needed was for FOX NEWS to not be able to debase a poll like they've done so often with all the online polls Ron wins...THIS IS THAT POLL...next time we will win.
 
V3n said:
Spontaneous Straw-poll-bomb.. Donate the percentage Ron Paul received in the Iowa Straw Poll. He got 27.65% of the vote. I'll start:

Thank you for your generous donation!

Amount: $27.65
Transaction ID: 3xx0xxxx4
Transaction date/time: 2011-08-13 18:14:19
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so um.. which donation site are we doing this on? *cowers in ignorance* it has been a while since I was here
 
Michele Bachmann does have a target on her back now. The TPTB will breath a sigh of relief that Paul didn't win.. but as soon as they start turning their focus on Bachmann.. it will work in our favor.
 
The bad news is that Ron Paul didn't win. The good news is that result will not be bashed as just another straw poll. Paul's performance must be accepted as legitimate or else Bachmann's performance isn't legitimate either.

Bachmann performed below expectations at a time when she has already been sinking in the polls. Ron Paul performed above expectations even as his poll numbers have been climbing. No one has won the Iowa caucuses without finishing either first or seceond in the straw poll so Ron Paul emerges from this a legitimate contender to win Iowa.

This isn't the outcome I was hoping for, but it is a good outcome.

Pawlenty is finished. He got less than half of what the top two got in spite of spending more money and campaigning far more heavily. Meanwhile he's sinking into the low single-digits in national polls. He's out of money, and who will contribute to him now considering how little he has accomplished with the money that he had?

Santorum is finished, but Santorum has been finished for a long time. He came close to Pawlenty only because Pawlenty performed so poorly. By his own admission he campaigned the state tirelessly and spend more time there than any other candidate, and yet he got about the same percentage of the vote that Ron Paul got in 2007 and RP hardly campaigned in Iowa at all that year.

Surprising that Romney that got fewer votes than Perry when Perry wasn't even on the ballot.

Gingrich has to be saying, "Thank god for Thaddeus McCotter." At least someone got fewer votes than Newt. Actually a huge surprise. Gingrich was in the high double-digits in national polls just a few months ago and did pretty well in the debate. How the mighty have fallen.

How is this going to affect the polls? That will be an important factor. Bachmann's slide in national polls will probably end simply because she will pick up votes from the losers. Pawlenty, Gingrich, Santorum, and Cain will probably fall even lower in national polls. Hopefully Paul will pick up some votes as well although he's already been doing as well as Bachmann lately. But Perry will probably pick up the lion's share of losers votes initially.

A Sarah Palin campaign is beginning to look untenable. Is she going to enter the Iowa campaign and further split the evangelical vote with Bachmann and Perry? That would just open the way for Romney or perhaps Ron Paul. Her delay has allowed others to gain momentum among her electoral base.

The race is essentially down to four people: Romney, Paul, Perry, and Bachmann. Of course, Huntsman is still in the race but, unlike Romney, he can't afford to let others gain momentum going into New Hampshire, and that's exactly what he's doing. You can double that for Gary Johnson.
 
stay constructive and polite on forums / talk shows ... raise the level of discussions ... it's still us vs neocons ... show the people of America we are good families that care and love liberty and true free trade ... If you're emotional or angry you will not be constructive so think with a greater philosophy of action
 
I'm not going to believe that the media is going to continue giving fair coverage, we've done that way too many times before. Just gotta enjoy it while it lasts.

Gotta say though, Drudge has been awesome today. Even after Bachmann won, Ron was at the top of the page.
 
nocompromises said:
I am not pessimistic.

I am realistic.

I think we can win the nomination, but we will not win it with second place finishes.

A second place finish is NOT bad, but it is NOT what we need.

We need to start willing straw polls with a big margin. We can do this now, but we need to work harder.

The fact is...

The mainstream media is against us.
The majority of Republican and Democrat politicians are against us.
The other candidates are against us.

Last time around, we saw how hard things were. The media brought out the stupid racist card and they played all sorts of stupid tricks. Do you remember how they played laughter in the debates when Ron Paul answered questions? Do you remember how they turned off his ear piece so that he could not hear questions?

Things are going to get even worse for us now, because we are doing even better.

If you think they were unfair last time, they are going to be even WORSE this time.

The only way we are going to win this nomination, is if we work harder than ever before!
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It really just sounds like YOU are the one against us.
 
boneyard bill said:
The bad news is that Ron Paul didn't win. The good news is that result will not be bashed as just another straw poll. Paul's performance must be accepted as legitimate or else Bachmann's performance isn't legitimate either.

Bachmann performed below expectations at a time when she has already been sinking in the polls. Ron Paul performed above expectations even as his poll numbers have been climbing. No one has won the Iowa caucuses without finishing either first or seceond in the straw poll so Ron Paul emerges from this a legitimate contender to win Iowa.

This isn't the outcome I was hoping for, but it is a good outcome.

Pawlenty is finished. He got less than half of what the top two got in spite of spending more money and campaigning far more heavily. Meanwhile he's sinking into the low single-digits in national polls. He's out of money, and who will contribute to him now considering how little he has accomplished with the money that he had?

Santorum is finished, but Santorum has been finished for a long time. He came close to Pawlenty only because Pawlenty performed so poorly. By his own admission he campaigned the state tirelessly and spend more time there than any other candidate, and yet he got about the same percentage of the vote that Ron Paul got in 2007 and RP hardly campaigned in Iowa at all that year.

Surprising that Romney that got fewer votes than Perry when Perry wasn't even on the ballot.

Gingrich has to be saying, "Thank god for Thaddeus McCotter." At least someone got fewer votes than Newt. Actually a huge surprise. Gingrich was in the high double-digits in national polls just a few months ago and did pretty well in the debate. How the mighty have fallen.

How is this going to affect the polls? That will be an important factor. Bachmann's slide in national polls will probably end simply because she will pick up votes from the losers. Pawlenty, Gingrich, Santorum, and Cain will probably fall even lower in national polls. Hopefully Paul will pick up some votes as well although he's already been doing as well as Bachmann lately. But Perry will probably pick up the lion's share of losers votes initially.

A Sarah Palin campaign is beginning to look untenable. Is she going to enter the Iowa campaign and further split the evangelical vote with Bachmann and Perry? That would just open the way for Romney or perhaps Ron Paul. Her delay has allowed others to gain momentum among her electoral base.

The race is essentially down to four people: Romney, Paul, Perry, and Bachmann. Of course, Huntsman is still in the race but, unlike Romney, he can't afford to let others gain momentum going into New Hampshire, and that's exactly what he's doing. You can double that for Gary Johnson.
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Brilliant assessment!
 
sailingaway said:
The others from here on out are not on the same scale as the Iowa straw poll, however, and the campaign may or may not want to do them.
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It makes sense that the official campaign may or may not want to do other straw polls going forward because of their size and coverage in comparison to the Iowa straw poll.

If we want to focus on something substantial we should be concentrating now on the Iowa Caucus and the New Hampshire primary as well as the other early primaries. Specifically organizing GOTV and getting signs and Ron Paul's name out there in those early states by busing people in on the weekends to do the needed work in order to win!
 
boneyard bill said:
The race is essentially down to four people: Romney, Paul, Perry, and Bachmann.
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Romney and Perry haven't gone through a thorough vetting process yet, either. Their numbers are based on governorship and name recognition alone. Once their dirty laundry starts getting aired, their support will slip. Once the distinction is drawn boldly between grassroots and establishment, I think it will slip further.
 
Doesn't Drudge have a colleague who is close to the Romney campaign? If Drudge is playing up Ron Paul, it could be because he wants to play down Bachmann. However, I'm not convinced that Ron Paul wouldn't be a bigger threat to Romney in New Hampshire than Bachmann is.
 
nocompromises said:
The fact is that I'm not a troll, but I'm not going to go wild over non-victories.


We can win the nomination, but we need to...

1) Start pushing the next money bomb now.
2) We need to start fundraising for the next straw poll now.
3) We need to start telling more and more people about Ron Paul.
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NO WE DON'T NEED TO START FUND RAISING FOR THE NEXT STRAW POLL.

We need switch gears now to actually win the first primaries and caucuses, the straw poll season is over. Now it's time to actually do the real work needed in order to win.
 
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