Where did you move to? I'm considering a job in NH, trying to get some pros and cons about the state...
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Where did you move to? I'm considering a job in NH, trying to get some pros and cons about the state...
That is my gripe with the Free State people...you NEVER see the negatives regarding New Hampshire; which are considerable. You would be AMAZED at the number of young people trying their best to move away, but they just can't afford it. Many in their twenties are STILL living with their parents because they can't find housing, and when they do; it's just too expensive. If you can't afford the heat in winter, G-d have mercy on you. If you are somewhere where freezing to death isn't a concern, stay there. I lived in the south, and the cost of living was FAR LESS than New Hampshire, and that is just a cold hard FACT. FSP should present both the pros AND cons to people, and let them make a fair and honest evaluation for themselves. It is NOT 'paradise'...not by a long shot.
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There are pluses and minuses where ever you are at.
Folks in every state should be working to make there state a FREE state.
I have looked into the FSP and liked the idea, however I could not sell my farm for what it cost me.
What I might get would not give me enough to start over somewhere else.
I will work on correcting things here.
We all need to work on correcting this country, or the state you are in won't matter.
Folks in every state should be working to make there state a FREE state.
I have looked into the FSP and liked the idea, however I could not sell my farm for what it cost me.
What I might get would not give me enough to start over somewhere else.
I will work on correcting things here.
We all need to work on correcting this country, or the state you are in won't matter.
Amen. Make the best of it wherever you are.
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There are pro's,and cons everywhere you go.
What i don't understand is your vitriolic tone in this thread.
No one said NH was paradise.There is no such place,as it is human nature to always want more.
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What vitriol? The truth? Of course there is no paradise. But I believe "Free Staters" go way beyond the pale in trying to present NH as such a paradise. Property taxes are ten times that of most southern states, which is why most rents exceed $1000...unless Section 8 is your cup of tea. Crime is getting WORSE, not better. (Read on line NH papers if you think I'm kidding.) It will cost you $300 - 500 (or worse) to register a car if it is reasonably new. (As low as $25 in some southern states.) Keep in mind that your car will rust away rather quickly due to the amount of salt on the roads, not to mention the salt air from the ocean. Heating costs are off the charts, and will only get WORSE over the coming years. (By the way...it is currently SNOWING...AGAIN.) Gardening is severely limited to vegetables that thrive in cold climates. Frost heaves beat the daylights out of your vehicles. By the way...how many are aware that moving trucks costs THREE TIMES as much LEAVING NH as enetring NH. Why? The demand for trucks heading south far exceeds that of trucks heading into NH. Own a gun? Don't transport it through New York...you will face a stiff jail sentence. (Check with GOA.) Hey...if you are already from a high-tax northern state; you might like NH. But I am willing to bet that if you are from the south or west; you won't be happy here. I would just like to see "Free Staters" take off the rose-colored glasses when making their case, and present BOTH pros and cons to people who may wind up regretting their move...many just won't be able to afford to correct the mistake. There are an awful lot of unhappy people here that wold love to move...they just can't afford it.
Shadow26, your post is full of exaggerations, half-truths and things that are so 180 degrees of the truth I'm not sure if it's just ignorance or outright lies.
You continue to compare New Hampshire to Southern States, most of which all will have a Real ID card required of their citizens. Most of which have sales taxes and income taxes (NH has none). None of which have gun laws as free as New Hampshire's and none of which that have legislatures as accessible as New Hampshire's.
You seem to focus alot on weather and other comforts. We are focused on liberty.
OVERALL taxes are the LOWEST IN THE NATION. On overall taxation of its citizens, New Hampshire is 50th. We have no income tax and no sales tax. Property taxes are higher becuase it's our only tax.
A great thing about property taxes is that they are collected and controlled by local governments, giving the local government much more say over the state government.
This is where you start to border on outright lying. Can you please cite a statistic for this? New Hampshire was recently rated as THE SAFEST state - NUMBER ONE - in regards to crime. See here. And it's actually been getting better over the last few years, not worse (as the link I posted points out)
Your credibility is already wearing thin, but let's continue with the rest of your post. Strike 1.
Hmm...interesting unbackced assertion but According to AOL Finance, New Hampshire is actually the best state in the country to own a car! Strike 2. One of the reasons for this is that insurance costs are MUCH LOWER because New Hampshire doesn't require liability insurance for its motorists. Another example of live free or die. It's also the [URL="http://money.aol.com/mortgage/healthiest-states?photo=2"]2nd healthiest state[/URL].
Liberty is more important to us than comfort. If it's not to you, please don't join us.
None of the 10 states considered by the Free State Project to be the Free State were warm. That wasn't done on purpose, but it just so happens that the warmer climates seem to have more nanny-government. It may have to do with the way people react to their climate and it may have to do with the amount of immigration to those states that creates large cities and oppressive governments. We wanted a small state that wasn't going to grow into another metropolis and that was small enough for us to make a difference. The other Free State Project (which is going to Wyoming) also chose a very cold state. You don't want a state that too many of the wrong type of people will be moving to, but you do want a balance so that people will be able to get jobs. This state's weather means that the South will continue to get bigger (which means a liberty activist will have less impact) and New Hampshire will most likely stay small.
Some Free Staters are building green houses and those are working out very nicely. The pilgrims came to New England for religious freedom and worked it out just fine.
It's a small state, that's why we'll be able to make a difference.
Now, that is just completely wrong! Federal "safe passage" law (18 U.S.C. 926A, 27 CFR 178.38) specifically states that you can transport a gun through any state, regardless of that state's laws, as long as the gun is unloaded, locked in a container (such as a trunk), and the states you are traveling to and from allow you to have that weapon. SRIKE 3!
You seem to be really grasping at straws here.
Right, the same people who are going to move to Canada if xyz doesn't happen soon?
The New Hampshire natives I've met love their state.
I've lived in 5 states (one out West, one in the South, and one in the midwest and one in the mid-atlantic) and none of them are as good as New Hampshire (also, all of them had young people who thought where they lived was the "worst place in the country." I bet it's the same everywhere).
So let's review. The only law you criticized in New Hampshire was the property taxes, which can be much lower depending on where you live AND overall New Hampshire has the lowest taxes in the country. You criticized a New York law that doesn't apply to people traveling to and from New Hampshire. You incorrectly complained about a non-existent "rising crime rate" that is the LOWEST IN THE COUNTRY and dropping, according to actual sources that I linked to. You criticized the weather (which could be viewed as a plus because it will prevent a bunch of big government people moving in and packing our small towns, which is what is happening in the South).
If that's the skeptics' best case, I'd say you made a damn good case for New Hampshire as the free state.
And let's not forget one more thing: New Hampshire has lots more people moving who are coming to fight for liberty all the time. You won't be alone here.
Come to PorcFest and find out for yourself!
You continue to compare New Hampshire to Southern States, most of which all will have a Real ID card required of their citizens. Most of which have sales taxes and income taxes (NH has none). None of which have gun laws as free as New Hampshire's and none of which that have legislatures as accessible as New Hampshire's.
You seem to focus alot on weather and other comforts. We are focused on liberty.
OVERALL taxes are the LOWEST IN THE NATION. On overall taxation of its citizens, New Hampshire is 50th. We have no income tax and no sales tax. Property taxes are higher becuase it's our only tax.
A great thing about property taxes is that they are collected and controlled by local governments, giving the local government much more say over the state government.
This is where you start to border on outright lying. Can you please cite a statistic for this? New Hampshire was recently rated as THE SAFEST state - NUMBER ONE - in regards to crime. See here. And it's actually been getting better over the last few years, not worse (as the link I posted points out)
Your credibility is already wearing thin, but let's continue with the rest of your post. Strike 1.
Hmm...interesting unbackced assertion but According to AOL Finance, New Hampshire is actually the best state in the country to own a car! Strike 2. One of the reasons for this is that insurance costs are MUCH LOWER because New Hampshire doesn't require liability insurance for its motorists. Another example of live free or die. It's also the [URL="http://money.aol.com/mortgage/healthiest-states?photo=2"]2nd healthiest state[/URL].
Liberty is more important to us than comfort. If it's not to you, please don't join us.
None of the 10 states considered by the Free State Project to be the Free State were warm. That wasn't done on purpose, but it just so happens that the warmer climates seem to have more nanny-government. It may have to do with the way people react to their climate and it may have to do with the amount of immigration to those states that creates large cities and oppressive governments. We wanted a small state that wasn't going to grow into another metropolis and that was small enough for us to make a difference. The other Free State Project (which is going to Wyoming) also chose a very cold state. You don't want a state that too many of the wrong type of people will be moving to, but you do want a balance so that people will be able to get jobs. This state's weather means that the South will continue to get bigger (which means a liberty activist will have less impact) and New Hampshire will most likely stay small.
Some Free Staters are building green houses and those are working out very nicely. The pilgrims came to New England for religious freedom and worked it out just fine.
It's a small state, that's why we'll be able to make a difference.
Now, that is just completely wrong! Federal "safe passage" law (18 U.S.C. 926A, 27 CFR 178.38) specifically states that you can transport a gun through any state, regardless of that state's laws, as long as the gun is unloaded, locked in a container (such as a trunk), and the states you are traveling to and from allow you to have that weapon. SRIKE 3!
You seem to be really grasping at straws here.
Right, the same people who are going to move to Canada if xyz doesn't happen soon?
The New Hampshire natives I've met love their state. I've lived in 5 states (one out West, one in the South, and one in the midwest and one in the mid-atlantic) and none of them are as good as New Hampshire (also, all of them had young people who thought where they lived was the "worst place in the country." I bet it's the same everywhere).
So let's review. The only law you criticized in New Hampshire was the property taxes, which can be much lower depending on where you live AND overall New Hampshire has the lowest taxes in the country. You criticized a New York law that doesn't apply to people traveling to and from New Hampshire. You incorrectly complained about a non-existent "rising crime rate" that is the LOWEST IN THE COUNTRY and dropping, according to actual sources that I linked to. You criticized the weather (which could be viewed as a plus because it will prevent a bunch of big government people moving in and packing our small towns, which is what is happening in the South).
If that's the skeptics' best case, I'd say you made a damn good case for New Hampshire as the free state.
And let's not forget one more thing: New Hampshire has lots more people moving who are coming to fight for liberty all the time. You won't be alone here.
Come to PorcFest and find out for yourself!
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