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[rockandrollsouls]

The campaign really needs someone who is an expert in regards to responding to these issues. I'm certainly no expert, so I have no idea what should be done. However, I'm sure if they hired someone who knew how to handle this stuff it would be a lot easier.

 

[Vaughn]

The campaign really needs someone who is an expert in regards to responding to these issues. I'm certainly no expert, so I have no idea what should be done. However, I'm sure if they hired someone who knew how to handle this stuff it would be a lot easier.

I agree, the smear is really doing damage out here in Michigan. One of my neighbors has already taken down his Ron Paul signs because of it...

If the campaign really thinks this is just going to "blow over" they are wrong! Kerry did the exact same thing last election when the swift boat stuff came out and look where that got him. Staying quite indicates guilt to the public, the campaign should release a comprehensive, who, what, when, where and why press release detailing EVERYTHING about this incident.

 

[jmc1144]

I agree, the smear is really doing damage out here in Michigan. One of my neighbors has already taken down his Ron Paul signs because of it...

If the campaign really thinks this is just going to "blow over" they are wrong! Kerry did the exact same thing last election when the swift boat stuff came out and look where that got him. Staying quite indicates guilt to the public, the campaign should release a comprehensive, who, what, when, where and why press release detailing EVERYTHING about this incident.

Yes. Exactly. And you know what? It doesn't matter if he didn't write them or didn't have a part in them. He will still be associated with the racist person who wrote these things, and if he's trying to save his friend by acting like he doesn't know who wrote all these things, that's just a stupid idea. I think Ron Paul = racist is getting jammed down the throats of anyone who watches MSNBC or CNN, and if that's what a person hears who doesn't know much about Ron Paul, do you think they will want to research or be associated with the guy, no matter what the truth about the newsletters? I really don't, and I'm betting MSM doesn't which is why they've started picking up on this story.

 

[thisisgiparti]

Don't be stupid. Whether he's a bigot or not, the newsletters went out in his name. There is no way to sue for libel or slander.

This is an obvious political smear. This issue came up before his return to Congress in 1996.

They tried to use it back then, but the people of the district where he and his family lived know that he's no bigot. He has been elected to Congress 4 times since then.

This is clearly about trying to silence and marginalize his political views on the war, civil liberties and sound money.

Well, this isn't 1996. Ron Paul is introducing himself to people who don't know him, and he is running for POTUS. They want to know, if it wasn't him, then who. How could he be so careless? His Congressional record is not enough to get him off the hook.

Telling people to drop it, attacking the people who bring it to light and hoping it will all go away is not going to work. It shouldn't either. this is a big deal.

 

[bcmiller]

"Hating Whitey" is a book written by jewish author David Horowitz, who has 2 bi-racial grandchildren, and thus can hardly be called a racist. This NYT best seller proves that anti-white race hatred is systematically taught to young blacks thru out the entire American educational establishment. The resulting racial crimes and violence among blacks is a major cause of so many young blacks being incarcerated.

Google "Race War Black Against White" for full details.

Why do you think having mixed grandkids makes you immune to a racist label?

Jefferson had mixed children but still owned slaves.

Many people have no mixed family members and are not racist. Many others have all sorts of prejudices and they come from all origins.

I don't think you backing up the articles that Ron Paul disavows is the best tactic. It might just reinforce the idea that this movement is about turning back the hands of time rather than fulfilling the unfulfilled promise of the constitution.

Collectivists are evil evil people and no one should buy into this philosophy. If people are individuals they are entitled to thier individual thoughts and opinions and noone should assume that because someone is a member of a group that they should think a certain way.

This goes for self identified Ron Paul supporters too. Just because you support this campaign does not mean you have to accept any lame defense to this newsletter scandal.

Dr. Paul spent 10 terms in Congress giving lobbyists the finger and building a lasting record of honor. Then he needs some extra bucks and lets racist put out a newsletters in his name for years! He never reads these newsletters and when he finds out what is in them he never sues the person responsible or bothers finding out who it was.

I know Ron Paul to be an honorable man and he has changed my life. I will be a lifelong Ron Paul Republican. I just got my copy of "The road to surfdom" in the mail and I acted like it was a new release from Steven King. I do support this message.

However, this defense of his to this attack is weak and something's rotten in the state of Denmark.

 

[rockwell]

"Let's assume for a second that his more rational supporters are right, that the man's no bigot. So Paul doesn't know what libel law is? Doesn't know any lawyers, doesn't care about defending his reputation?'

Raising the perfect question, one I have offered on numerous occasions without response; why hasn't the current administrations done the same thing to the Truth Movement?

*insert the sound of crickets chirping*

 

[Vaughn]

"Let's assume for a second that his more rational supporters are right, that the man's no bigot. So Paul doesn't know what libel law is? Doesn't know any lawyers, doesn't care about defending his reputation?'

Raising the perfect question, one I have offered on numerous occasions without response; why hasn't the current administrations done the same thing to the Truth Movement?

*insert the sound of crickets chirping*

Correlation does not imply causation Rockwell...

 

[MikeFallopian]

"Let's assume for a second that his more rational supporters are right, that the man's no bigot. So Paul doesn't know what libel law is? Doesn't know any lawyers, doesn't care about defending his reputation?'

Raising the perfect question, one I have offered on numerous occasions without response; why hasn't the current administrations done the same thing to the Truth Movement?

*insert the sound of crickets chirping*

Because of New York Times Co. v. Sullivan.

 

[RealPolitik]

You guys sound so naive!

There is nothing Ron Paul can do about the newsletters other than campaign and get his message to people. He has been effectively censored by the mainstream media. The media will only report news that will negatively effect his campaign. Think about. When have you watched any pundits discuss his platform or a news story on Ron Paul except this discredited newsletter smear? You haven't. I mean they barely reported the incredible fundraising success he has had.

Ron Paul needs to just campaign, buy some commercial time, and hope Americans get the message. As the campaign goes along, Americans will begin to understand that Ron Paul isn't kooky as the media has portrayed him: North American Union, the Economy and now the National ID card.

 

[Eponym_mi]

OTOH, if his junk really was written by a ghostwriter while Paul was asleep at the wheel, it makes sense none of this would come out, because it isn't there.

Asleep at the wheel? I wouldn't describe it as that. The man was probably very busy with other stuff (like his medical practice). Also, I doubt these newsletter were a big source of income, so, why would he devote much time to it?

 

[Dr.3D]

Let em bring on a book of em if they want. Personally, I'm tired of the stink people keep making out of these stupid letters.

 

[tnjonline]

It would be critical for the movement to grow that Dr Paul writes a lucid response on his website to the 'racism' newsletter issue, similar to the on that he wrote about the NH recount issue today.

The current group (us) is already convinced that he is not a racist by any means, but a detailed factual response to the authorship issue will be a huge win for him. This newsletter issue has brought a lot of attention to him (google ron paul and you will see yourself), and it might be a blessing in disguise!

 

[tekmo]

I agree, the smear is really doing damage out here in Michigan. One of my neighbors has already taken down his Ron Paul signs because of it...

If the campaign really thinks this is just going to "blow over" they are wrong! Kerry did the exact same thing last election when the swift boat stuff came out and look where that got him. Staying quite indicates guilt to the public, the campaign should release a comprehensive, who, what, when, where and why press release detailing EVERYTHING about this incident.

I'm gonna have to agree on the Kerry thing. Yes, many of Ron Paul's supporters know the story, but he really really needs to clear it up with people. The only MSM press he's gotten lately is because of this bullshit, so he really needs to make a point to defend himself. And yes, he's been doing it for 10-15 years, but he'll have to be doing it for the rest of his life.

 

[huchahucha]

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This is SHOCKING! To leave a comment you have to be a subscriber. I just cannot believe The New Republic has that many online subscribers.

 

[fmontez]

Lets face it, I love Ron Paul, but his answer to the NewLetters is lame, and will not fly with the general public. It might fly with us, but to most people his answer is not good enough (not nearly good enough.)

He needs to find out who wrote these, and expose them, this will continue to build, and will tear him down in the end if he doens't act. My fear is that he may have written some of the letters, to appease the liberatian party buddies OR more likely he did passively know about the articles... *sighs*

 

[propanes]

........My fear is that he may have written some of the letters, to appease the liberatian party buddies OR more likely he did passively know about the articles... *sighs*

That's totally out of character and ridiculous. Ron is one if not the most principled politician in congress, with a 20 year consistent record.

 

[robotsworld]

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Amen.

edit: I know the libel thing doesn't apply and doesn't make any sense, but the point is--why does he not say what his response was. Why is he not more clear about how the heck people were hired, transitions, etc. and he knew little about it. I thought this would blow over in a second because I thought whenever it came up he would say "I fired that person and I was very angry". But he said nothing like that. He came off as clueless and kept saying it didn't matter. Well, it did, and what did you do about it? Why didn't he say he fired the guy, that's all I'm saying. I know absolutely that Ron Paul is not a bigot, and I believe every word he says about the newsletters. But if I was not squarely in his camp already (like 90% of people out there) then I would want him to prove it. The way to prove it would be with witnesses (or confessors) backing up his statements about his involvement. And he needs a few more details. Or I think he could "prove" it (I wouldn't consider this pandering or showmanship) by posting on his website everything he's ever said about any blacks (or other non-whites), gays, MLK, Rosa Parks, etc. I don't need that--but I'm telling you what, it would prove it for everyone else out there. Just a very clear, accessible, one-page response linking to every bit of that type of material, plus maybe a personal video of him really laying out his defense.

The point is, if he had done that already, it would have to blow over because his innocence is obvious--but the evidence always has to be presented in any case even if it's an innocent man on trial--and you can't then complain that you are convicted, if you did a horrible or negligent job of defending yourself.

WHY OH WHY? ARE YOU GUYS BUYING INTO THIS?????? DON'T YOU KNOW IT'S HUCKABEE'S, ROMNEY'S, OR GUILIANI'S CAMP PUTTING THIS STUFF IN HERE FOR YOU TO SECOND GUESS RON PAUL???? COME ON!!!!! TAKE YOUR STANCE. I'M A MINORITY SO ARE MY IN-LAWS AND WE AIN'T SHAKIN' DID YOU SEE RON PAUL WALK AWAY FROM THE S.C. DEBATE THE OTHER NIGHT???? DID HE WALK AWAY WHEN THEY LAUGHED AT HIM??? CLEARLY DISSING HIM IN FRONT OF MILLIONS? DUST THAT CRAP OFF AND HOLD YOUR GROUND. YOU KNOW HE'S NOT A RACIST...YOU ARE EITHER WITH HIM OR NOT...YOU EITHER BELIEVE IN THE MESSAGE HE BRINGS OR YOU NEVER DID!!!

 

[robotsworld]

Lets face it, I love Ron Paul, but his answer to the NewLetters is lame, and will not fly with the general public. It might fly with us, but to most people his answer is not good enough (not nearly good enough.)

He needs to find out who wrote these, and expose them, this will continue to build, and will tear him down in the end if he doens't act. My fear is that he may have written some of the letters, to appease the liberatian party buddies OR more likely he did passively know about the articles... *sighs*

WHAT DO YOU WANT HIM TO DO? GO ON THE REV. AL SHARPTON RADI WHO LIKE BILL CLINTON DID TO "EXPLAIN" THE FAIRY-TALE" COMMENT HE MADE ON OBAMA...BUBU DIDN'T WANT TO LOOSE HIS WIFEY'S BLACK VOTES THAT'S FOR SURE.

WHAT A FAKE ASS-BI-ATCH.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=YaDQ1vIuvZI

 

[huchahucha]

He needs to find out who wrote these, and expose them, this will continue to build, and will tear him down in the end if he doens't act. My fear is that he may have written some of the letters, to appease the liberatian party buddies OR more likely he did passively know about the articles... *sighs*

Of course there is the possibility that Ron and his associates were just pumping this crap out because people were bombarding them with money to buy it. Using the TNR photocopies of the newsletters I was able to figure out that at one point people were paying as much as $99 to subscribe (wow, that is way higher than a TNR subscription). I wonder why the TNR reporter was unable to figure this out? Oh yeah, because TNR pumps out sensationalized bullshit to anyone who will buy it (look up Scott Thomas Beauchamp and the Baghdad Diarist controversy).

 

[jmc1144]

WHAT DO YOU WANT HIM TO DO? GO ON THE REV. AL SHARPTON RADI WHO LIKE BILL CLINTON DID TO "EXPLAIN" THE FAIRY-TALE" COMMENT HE MADE ON OBAMA...BUBU DIDN'T WANT TO LOOSE HIS WIFEY'S BLACK VOTES THAT'S FOR SURE.

WHAT A FAKE ASS-BI-ATCH.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=YaDQ1vIuvZI

You know your use of language is not representative of the black people, or other minorities, I have watched in Ron Paul support videos. They are lucid, their use of the English language did not include terms such as "biatch" and "wifey". In fact, one would not expect a minority supporter to talk this way in a forum such as this and actually be respected. But one would expect a white person, whose exposure to minorities has solely been thru movies such as "Friday" and "Don't Be A Menace In South Central", might post statements such as these. Thus, you assume that the stereotype that all minorities talk using slang such as this is the truth, and in order to pose as a black person, or latino, this is how you should speak.

Great job. Didn't fool me for a second. You sound like every white kid that ever tried to act black in my high school, and that was 6 or 7 years ago. You really think black people say "biatch" all the time, don't you? And you actually use these statements to clear Ron Paul of the newsletters. You think this helps things? Posing as a minority by playing into stereotypes is racist in and of itself. If anything, posts like these prove a lot of Ron Paul supporters really buy into the stuff that was written in those articles, and deep down feel it speaks the truth. And yes, you can reply back and say you really are black or latino, but there's no way to know it's true, it's the frickin internet, you can be anyone you want to.

But let's take this quote from one of your other posts:

"Know who your candidates have advising them. To the four winds this information goes."

Sounds a little different then when you pretend to be a minority, no? Or do you have multiple personality disorder, and the one side of you is a well-spoken person, while the other side of you is angry and must use consistent slang to get their point, and their "street cred", across in the same statement. I just know I went to the University of Pittsburgh, have black friends from there, went to classes with many black and latino people, and I never once heard ANY of them use "biatch" or "bubu". C'mon dude, "biatch" is from the '90s, NO ONE says that anymore. At least be up on pop culture.