The new civil war

[Anti Federalist]

The first step is to realize that the shrieking we are hearing is not the people, it's the astroturf. Just as the media was given to the Establishment, the internet has now been given to the Astroturf. We, the People have no accurate gauge of what We, the People are thinking. Yes, many people are susceptible enough to such herd tactics, and little enough able to think for themselves, that they will hold the opinions they hear the most. But now that the Internet Revolution has been Irrevocably Tamed, the Great Silent Majority is more silent than ever. We are not finding a way to gauge how effective we are. But that does not mean we aren't being effective.

You cannot offer me solid proof that our ideas actually were rebuffed out of hand. You cannot offer yourself solid proof of it.

It may take a measure of faith to keep on keeping on. But that is what must be done.

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/first-read/poll-americans-want-government-do-more-n841731

 

[acptulsa]

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/first-read/poll-americans-want-government-do-more-n841731

It would be fun to pick apart the methodology used in this poll. But there's a hitch. The methodology doesn't seem to be available.

Maybe if I was on the computer there would be a link to the analytics. But as it is, I have nothing to go on but NBC's and Murdoch's reputations.

I still say we don't know where we stand. But I do know this. If good news ever does come our way, we won't hear it from the smirking lips of Chuck Todd.

Hell, just the vagueness of the question is enough to lead me to dismiss this poll. Where is the poll that asks questions like these?

Should the government do less in Syria so it can do more for domestic infrastructure?

Should the federal government do less--and tax less--so state governments can do more?

If government could reduce inflation by doing more or by doing less, which tack should it take?

Ask questions like that, and see what you get.

 

[pcosmar]

Puke!

Inequity hmm,,

and here I am learning to be very comfortably homeless...

And I'm pretty sure it was Gun Control hindering my employment..

Just try arguing that case some time.. and both sides jump ya.

 

[fisharmor]

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/first-read/poll-americans-want-government-do-more-n841731

Go to any black person, at random, and ask the following:

"If we had a court system that had fewer laws but you knew black people had equal access to justice, would you support that idea?"

Or maybe

"Would you give up affirmative action programs in exchange for a legal system that never targeted black people, trapped them in the system, and forced them to comply with ridiculous courses and fees?"

Does anyone doubt what answer we'd get? I'm not talking about the rabble-rousing chair of the African studies department at your local community college: I'm talking about the 27 year old college dropout with dreds who is working at Jiffy Lube.
You know, the guy that African Studies professor claims to speak for.

That's literally all the education program would need to do. Two years of community outreach, talking to black people about this sort of thing, and that 75% would plummet to about 20. And it would only be that high because we wouldn't convince the African Studies professors to end their gravy train.

The smartest thing the liberty crowd could do is figure out a way to pay Eric July to go door-to-door.

 

[Swordsmyth]

Go to any black person, at random, and ask the following:

"If we had a court system that had fewer laws but you knew black people had equal access to justice, would you support that idea?"

Or maybe

"Would you give up affirmative action programs in exchange for a legal system that never targeted black people, trapped them in the system, and forced them to comply with ridiculous courses and fees?"

Does anyone doubt what answer we'd get? I'm not talking about the rabble-rousing chair of the African studies department at your local community college: I'm talking about the 27 year old college dropout with dreds who is working at Jiffy Lube.
You know, the guy that African Studies professor claims to speak for.

That's literally all the education program would need to do. Two years of community outreach, talking to black people about this sort of thing, and that 75% would plummet to about 20. And it would only be that high because we wouldn't convince the African Studies professors to end their gravy train.

The smartest thing the liberty crowd could do is figure out a way to pay Eric July to go door-to-door.

Muh reparations and Muh welfare has too strong of a hold on their minds.
Immigrants from socialist countries are just as bad.

 

[acptulsa]

Muh reparations and Muh welfare has too strong of a hold on their minds.

Oh? And what percentage said so in your poll? Was this a phone poll? Landlines only? How does it break down demographically? What is the margin of error? How many participants? Did you collect data on age, income and affiliation? How many states did you poll?

Have you ever talked to either a Californian or a black person in your life?

 

[Swordsmyth]

Oh? And what percentage said so in your poll? Was this a phone poll? Landlines only? How does it break down demographically? What is the margin of error? How many participants? Did you collect data on age, income and affiliation? How many states did you poll?

I'll answer that when Fishy backs up his post with statistics, if you want to evangelize minorities and immigrants with libertarian philosophy be my guest, let me know when black stop voting Demoncrat at a 90%+ rate, if you can pull it off we might get some LP candidates elected.
I have more productive things to do.

 

[Ender]

Go to any black person, at random, and ask the following:

"If we had a court system that had fewer laws but you knew black people had equal access to justice, would you support that idea?"

Or maybe

"Would you give up affirmative action programs in exchange for a legal system that never targeted black people, trapped them in the system, and forced them to comply with ridiculous courses and fees?"

Does anyone doubt what answer we'd get? I'm not talking about the rabble-rousing chair of the African studies department at your local community college: I'm talking about the 27 year old college dropout with dreds who is working at Jiffy Lube.
You know, the guy that African Studies professor claims to speak for.

That's literally all the education program would need to do. Two years of community outreach, talking to black people about this sort of thing, and that 75% would plummet to about 20. And it would only be that high because we wouldn't convince the African Studies professors to end their gravy train.

The smartest thing the liberty crowd could do is figure out a way to pay Eric July to go door-to-door.

I don't know any black person that wouldn't say "Hell, yea!" to your questions- just as I don't know any Mexican that's not a hard worker.

And, I'm from California, that, contrary to forum belief, is not filled with lazy immigrants who want to take over the nation and have everyone feed them. Cali has been grabbed by the political PTB and has been used to lead the nation towards more handouts & socialism. Still, most people I personally know there do NOT want this- they are just stuck on WTH to do- especially since it is so expensive in the cities and you have to work 24/7 just to pay rent.

 

[Anti Federalist]

I don't know any black person that wouldn't say "Hell, yea!" to your questions- just as I don't know any Mexican that's not a hard worker.

And, I'm from California, that, contrary to forum belief, is not filled with lazy immigrants who want to take over the nation and have everyone feed them. Cali has been grabbed by the political PTB and has been used to lead the nation towards more handouts & socialism. Still, most people I personally know there do NOT want this- they are just stuck on WTH to do- especially since it is so expensive in the cities and you have to work 24/7 just to pay rent.

So who is voting for these super majorities in California?

Should I accept the premise that voting and polling is utterly and totally rigged and not to be believed in any way?

And again, I'm not trying to be snarky or shitty, these are honest questions.

I have made my stand very clear: freedom is not popular and most people do not want it and will actively fight against your efforts to achieve it.

I can back that up with 50 years of polling and voting to prove it.

The only liberty that has taken root and managed to withstand the winds and storms that rage against it are gun rights.

I have stated numerous times, the liberty movement should adopt the same tactics and models for all the rest of our rights as well.

But if I am wrong about that, convince me, prove me wrong, show me I am being too harsh and cynical, that the population across the board is anxious and willing to adopt freedom and liberty and limited government and is just waiting for the chance.

I am, quite frankly, hoping you can do it.

 

[Ender]

So who is voting for these super majorities in California?

Should I accept the premise that voting and polling is utterly and totally rigged and not to be believed in any way?

And again, I'm not trying to be snarky or $#@!ty, these are honest questions.

I have made my stand very clear: freedom is not popular and most people do not want it and will actively fight against your efforts to achieve it.

I can back that up with 50 years of polling and voting to prove it.

The only liberty that has taken root and managed to withstand the winds and storms that rage against it are gun rights.

I have stated numerous times, the liberty movement should adopt the same tactics and models for all the rest of our rights as well.

But if I am wrong about that, convince me, prove me wrong, show me I am being too harsh and cynical, that the population across the board is anxious and willing to adopt freedom and liberty and limited government and is just waiting for the chance.

I am, quite frankly, hoping you can do it.

I believe the day before the Hildago treaty was signed, ending the Mexican American War, gold was discovered. California was not heavily populated at the time but gold & railroads changed that. This changed the whole scope of California to the feds and made it their go-to place for experimenting on the locals and issuing in Big Gov in the West and later to compliment the freedoms lost from the Civil War.

Nowadays, many people don't vote because they feel like it doesn't count.

I also think that much of the voting/polling shite comes from government education, not a persons ethnic background. The schools were formed for this very reason & if we want to break out of the Matrix, the first thing we have to do is get gov out of education. Because of this "schooling" many people think they are supporting "Americanism" by following the public school rulebook.

I'm not sure about Cali but when Utah territory was taken over by the feds, the people were forced into gov schools to become "un"doctrinated.

A lot of young people in the west were beginning to wake up with Ron Paul & I think they would welcome real freedom.

 

[Swordsmyth]

I believe the day before the Hildago treaty was signed, ending the Mexican American War, gold was discovered. California was not heavily populated at the time but gold & railroads changed that. This changed the whole scope of California to the feds and made it their go-to place for experimenting on the locals and issuing in Big Gov in the West and later to compliment the freedoms lost from the Civil War.

Nowadays, many people don't vote because they feel like it doesn't count.

I also think that much of the voting/polling $#@!e comes from government education, not a persons ethnic background. The schools were formed for this very reason & if we want to break out of the Matrix, the first thing we have to do is get gov out of education. Because of this "schooling" many people think they are supporting "Americanism" by following the public school rulebook.

I'm not sure about Cali but when Utah territory was taken over by the feds, the people were forced into gov schools to become "un"doctrinated.

A lot of young people in the west were beginning to wake up with Ron Paul & I think they would welcome real freedom.

We will never end public socialist education indoctrination by allowing in more socialists.